Q. Did you get the reports in other ways?
A. May I state with regard to the question of the President there were reports about work which had arisen within my field of competence as Army Medical Inspector.
Q. I then come to your connections to other fields. First of all to the Waffen SS at home. Did you know or did you have any official contact with the Armed Forces Institute for Research in the Ahnenerbe?
A. No, I did not even know that institute.
Q. Did you know the Hygienic Institute of the Waffen SS under Professor Mrugowsky?
A. I only knew that institute by name because before we were transferred from Berlin, I passed by the institute at Zohlendorf. I have never been inside. I did not have any contacts with it.
Q. Did you know the department for Typhus and Research in the Concentration Camp Buchenwald?
A. No.
Q. Were you yourself ever in the Concentration Camp Buchenwald?
A. No.
Q. Did you visit any other of these camps?
A. No.
Q. Now we come to one of the most important questions for you in this trial. On the basis of an entry in the Ding Diary it has been stated that Professor Eior, the Director of the Krakow Institute in Typhus and Dr. Bernhard Schmidt, of the Army Medical Inspectorate had visited the Buchenwald Concentration Camp. Did you order such a visit?
A. No.
Q. Was this visit reported to you?
A. No. Only from the documents about the Ding Diary I have found out about it here in Nurnberg.
Q. Will you please explain that to us -- how this can be possible that this was not brought to your knowledge?
A. I cannot explain that because I don't know the reasons for the visit. Only the people concerned, Schmidt and Eior, can give you an information about that, or perhaps my Chief of Staff.
Q. Well, we shall question them as witnesses. According to this Ding Diary which I have already mentioned, by order of the Supreme Command of the Army, the Behring Works, the Robert Koch Institute, and the Typhus and Virus Research Institute at Krakow, are alleged to have been ordered to produce yellow fever vaccine. Now according to the entries in the Ding Diary, a re-examination of the yellow fever vaccine took place at Buchenwald. It is stated also from Krakow. What do you know about it?
A. With regard to the question for the order of producing such a vaccine, I assume that may have been the case because under conditions in Africa such a vaccine was necessary for us.
Q. Were you trying to find a yellow fever vaccine?
A. No, it was only a question of producing it. It was the procedure to produce such a vaccine which was simplified; it was only a technical production in the laboratory of the institute; the well known Peltier vaccine.
Q. The Ding Diary also mentioned the fact that shipments of lice, which had been infected with typhus, were sent to Buchenwald in order to infect people at Buchenwald, do you know anything about that procedure?
A. No.
Q. Mr. President, in this connection and in order to clarify the state of affairs, I shall submit Document HA-13 in Document Book Handloser 11 on page 23 and I want to present it as Exhibit 9. It is an affidavit by the defendant Dr. Hoven. At the time Dr. Hoven was in the concentration camp Buchenwald, as you may know and he has personal knowledge of the shipments of lice and to this question he states, and I read:
"The shipment of lice, mentioned on the Ding Diary and in the testimony of the witnesses Dr. Kogon and Kirchheimer, came from Dr. Haas, Lwow. I know this for certain because I informed Dr. Haas that the lice had been destroyed.
"I can therefore affirm, from my own knowledge, that the statements of the witnesses Dr. Kogon and Kirchheimer - Dr. Kogon was not yet with Dr. Ding at that time - that the lice shipments came from the OKH Institute at Cracow are based on a misconception."
I request that this affidavit be accepted as evidence, as Exhibit 9.
In the Ding Diary, the Weigel vaccine is frequently mentioned, because also the other vaccines which are mentioned in the diary frequently were used for re-examination; I want to ask you if this was also the case with regard to the Weigel vaccine?
A. Already in 1939, during the campaign in Poland, the army had its own typhus research institute at Cracow and it produced the typhus vaccine, which was taken from lice according to the Weigel method. This vaccine had already for many years before been tested in other countries and it had proved itself.
It had not only been tested in the laboratories and in experiments on animals, but generally it had been used as a preventative precautionary scheme. The army was producing this vaccine itself and there was no reason for so-called re-examination as it has been called here. This vaccine had been recognized in many fields.
Q. Where did Buchenwald obtain this vaccine?
A. I cannot say that but there was only one very simple way. If the Waffen SS wanted to obtain this vaccine for its units at the front, then it was delivered to the main medical camp of the Waffen SS, it was also delivered in the same way to other agencies and if the office of the Waffen SS Wanted to have some of this vaccine, they probably may have turned to the main medical depot at Berlin.
Q. I am now coming to the main question, to the question of the typhus discussion. For this purpose I now hand to you Document Book No. 12.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Nelte, before we pass on the next exhibit, will you have the witness state who Dr. Haas - H-a-a-s- was and with what official agency he was connected at the time, which according to Dr. Hoven these lice shipments came to the camp.
DR. NELTE, You have heard the question, witness; do you know Dr. Haas?
THE WITNESS: I do not know him personally, I only know that Dr. Haas was the director or a collaborator at a typhus research institute by the name of Behring. which toward the end of 1942 had been established at Lwow. The institution had nothing to do with the Wehrmacht and as far as I know Dr. Haas was not a member at the Wehrmacht and what civilian agency was his superior agency at this Behring Typhus Institute at Lwow, I cannot say. I always considered it to be an industrial and *******.
BY DR. NELTE:
Q Mr. President, there will be witnesses heard with regard to this question.
As I stated, this alleged typhus conference which you will find in Document Book 12 requires detailed explanation. Mr. President, it is Document Book 12, Page 36. Furthermore, the Prosecution in connection with this question has submitted an affidavit from the well-known Kapo Dietsch. This Document No. 1413 was subsequently submitted and I do not know its exhibit number by the Prosecution.
I therefore request that you read in Paragraph 6 what is stated about a discussion of Kapo Dietsch. There are two documents about this alleged discussion, page one of the Ding Diary and the affidavit by Dietsch. The Prosecution has not stated on what two Documents or which one of the two Documents if supports itself. Apparently, it is supporting itself on both. One mentions a discussion in November and the other one mentions a discussion of December 29th; now a preliminary question; do you know where you were on December 29th, 1941?
A. No, I cannot state that exactly. In connection with the date of December 29th, I only know that at the end of December, 1941, I certainly was at the headquarters and that for certain on the 31st of December, 1941, I was in the Headquarters - that was New Year's Eve. I cannot state with certainty if I was at the Headquarters on the 29th.
Q. I am asking the question in view of the 2nd entry on Page 1 of the Ding Diary, where it is stated in order to test typhus vaccine, the Concentration Camp Buchenwald has been chosen. It is not stated who selected the Concentration Camp Buchenwald, but with consideration to the fact that you are alleged to have been present at a discussion of December 29th, I would like to determine if it is at least clear that on the second of January you could not possibly have been at Berlin and it was impossible for you to take part in any conference.
A. On January 2nd I was certainly not in Berlin.
Q. I now ask you to state your opinion if such a conference which is mentioned in the Ding Diary under the dateline of the 29th of December 1941 actually did take place with the same circle of persons and with the same contents?
A. I heard the first time of this matter after I had been arrested and I heard of it in the interrogation center at Oberursul towards the end of September 1945. There the interrogator read to me excerpts from a document which, as far as I know now, contained several things which are also mentioned in the Ding Diary. In general it dealt with experiments in the Buchenwald Concentration Camp.
I had stated that I only got to know the name of Buchenwald after the capitulation, and at the same time that I had never visited Buchenwald, and that the things which had taken place there were unknown to me. Then the interrogator said that it was superfluous for me to deny that because they had a photograph from Buchenwald where I was shown together with the Reichsfuehrer and Conti; further more, they had a record from Buchenwald which I was alleged to have signed.
I then replied to the interrogator that this was not correct, and then he said that these documents were already on the way, and that they would be presented to me at the very latest on the following day. However, this never happened and ever since these difficult days in solitary confinement,-
MR. McHANEY: If the Tribunal please, first he asked him whether or not the meeting took place on the 29th of December 1941 and now we have listened for five minutes to the first time he heard about the meeting and what happened to him and who was going to present him with documents and so forth. I think it is all quite immaterial and I think if he would confine himself to directly answering the questions we would get along much faster.
DR. NELTE: May it please the Tribunal, I believe that the prosecution has not only devoted several hours to this fact, but several days, by reading all possible accusations.
THE PRESIDENT: Counsel may proceed with the examination.
Q. (By Dr. Nelte) Please continue.
A. Ever since I have naturally constantly occupied myself with this question. I can only state one thing in connection with it. That a conference in which that which has been presented here is alleged to have been planned, namely, to carry out illegal experiments on human beings, I have never participated in any such conference, and in connection with this I must state that I have naturally had discussions in the winter of '41 and '42 also with people from the civil medical service. That may have been Conti, and I probably also had discussions with Gildemeister. However, there the state of affairs was as follows: Toward the end of the year 1941 at the various places in the East, typhus began to appear to an increasing extent. There was no doubt that the number of cases was increasing.
The best remedy against typhus in itself is combatting lice. However, as a result of the surprise which was caused to us by the campaign in the East in June 1941 the medical service had not been able to carry out a delousing process behind the operation area ahead of time and also in the area of operations.
With the extension of the front in the East and in view of the fact that in the general government which formerly was Poland at Warsaw and other places, typhus occurred frequently the danger of a spending of the disease to the homeland became increasingly greater. That the cases of typhus began to increase is shown by the very high numbers which typhus unfortunately reached with us in the years 1942 and '43. That it played a particular part is also shown by the dates which are not known to me anymore about the lectures with the chief of the general staff, where, for example, I think it was in January or March 1942, already 10,000 and several hundred cases of typhus had been registered, and I believe that 1300 of these cases were fatal. And I am unable to state anymore at this time if I reported to Generaloberst Halder the total number of the cases as they had occurred, only about the number which had been reached during the previous few months.
Now, what was the preventive measure? We did have a vaccine which we were producing ourselves. However, we were very limited in its production. I can remember a number of 35,000 portions permonth, and it maybe that it is the number of December 1941. I had given the order that the production of this vaccine be increased at all costs. I can remember for certain that I had discussions about that subject at home and also that I probably have discussed it with Conti, and I am quite certain that I discussed it with Gildemeister.
I did this for a certain purpose and with a certain plan and I have to emphasize in this respect that I, as Army Medical Inspector, or even if I had already been the chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service, which I was not at that time, I did not have any official influence on the civilian sector, I am of the opinion that at the time the question was first to describe the danger at home of this typhus situation at the front, which typhus might cause; and secondly, to also point out to them that the delousing procedure between the area of operations and the homeland had not been constructed to sufficient extent as yet or that it had only been established to quite an insufficient extent; and that during the winter period the chances were very slight that the construction could be improved.
Secondly, in my opinion, I have pointed out that we had a vaccine but only in such a limited extent that we were unable to give anything to the people at home except for some slight minor exemptions; and thirdly, I believe that I have asked Professor Gildemeister that all previous experiments by me to obtain information as to how actually the other typhus vaccine could be used -which was not one from lice but from chicken eggs -- by Professor Otto at Frankfurt, by the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin, and also by the Behring Works at Marburg, that actually Schreiber and I had not succeeded in obtaining any clear information about it, where in general this vaccine was being used and how effective it was.
I can remember that Gildemeister -- I don't know if it was in December or some other time -- told me that the production was facing difficulties because 50% and more of the laid eggs which were needed for it were being lost, and that in any case he could not succeed in gaining a success of 50% with them.
Therefore, the vaccine which was produced by Otto in Germany and which later on was produced by a scientist by the name of Cox in the United States, what could be done with it with regard to its effectiveness, I could not obtain any information on that subject at all.
And I have certainly recommended to the men with whom I discussed this problem under consideration of the situation as it existed with us to do everything in order to now obtain this so far previously-lacking experience and to gain additional information. In my opinion, this could not cause any difficulties at all because in the civilian sector at that time good opportunities existed to carry out this test in areas in the East or in other regions where the danger existed and to test the matter.
Q. Now I want to come back to the question which now has to be put in such a way. Did you participate in any discussion with the circle of persons as it is stated in the Ding Diary?
A. No.
Q. Did you attend a conference which reached a resolution that, as the Prosecution has interpreted it, the typhus research was to be continued by carrying out experiments on human beings by infecting healthy people?
A. No.
Q. Was the vaccination of concentration camp inmates or prisoners from concentration camps discussed at all in the conferences?
A. No.
Q. In the course of such a discussion was your contact to institutes of the Waffen-SS, was it the subject of the discussions?
A. No.
Q. If I understand you correctly, your task was fulfilled when you pointed out the seriousness of the situation in the East to the Homeland and when you pointed out to them that the army by means of its institutes and its vaccines was unable to give any of it to the Homeland?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you know that paragraph 6 of the second document mentions the fact that Dr. Ding is alleged to have attended this circle of persons which is not mentioned in the Ding Diary itself? Have you discussed this question at any time with Dr. Ding?
A. No.
Q. Is the second Dietsch document Professor Rose has been mentioned. Did you discuss this question with him?
A. I have never discussed it with him at any time.
Q. Now as a precaution as Defense Counsel, I would like to ask you the following question: Will you please read the last sentence of the first entry which states: "Since animal experiment does not permit a sufficient evaluation, the experiments must be carried out on human beings." Now let us assume that this statement had been made in your discussions in this way. How would you have interpreted it?
A. If I read over the sentence and I do not know anything about the incidents as they have been presented by the prosecution, as they are stated in the document here, I would not find anything at all which would cause me to be shocked because I would assume that the word "experiment", which more and were seems to an unfortunate word -- he solely states that the mass experiment and the mass use of human beings must take place in order to finally reach the clarification about its effectiveness as a preventative on the whole which was still lacking, and I can point out in this respect that in an article by Geheimrat Otto, who in 1939 discovered this vaccine and the writes in this article: the Weigl vaccine which is being produced in Krakow, in China and still in some other city, has already proved itself for many years even on a large-scale use on human beings. The egg yolk vaccine has proved itself effective in laboratory experiments and in experiments on animals. The practical experience to a large extent is still lacking. That was written in an article which comes from the end of 1942 or the first part of 1943.
Q. Is it correct that this Otto vaccine was produced in 1941, '42, '43 and so on?
A. I can only actually speak about 1941.
Q. Was it only to a small extent?
A. Yes, by the Behring Works, by the Robert Loch Institute and by Dr. Otto himself.
Q. I shall now present and document. The Prosecution asked: I only want to know the following from you in this connection; it is possible that a vaccine of this kind also proves itself in relatively large individual experiments with three or four hundred people. Does this individual experiment not offer proof of the fact that it cannot possibly be danger us in a large-scale experiment?
A. I have not understand the last part of your question.
Q. I mean the circumstance that a vaccine when it is applied to three or four hundred people in a single experiment, does it not offer proof and legitimation of the fact that it can be applied on a large scale?
A. Yes, this quite applies with regards to its compatibility, but we must with every vaccine differentiate between the effects and its compatibility. With regard to the compatibility, in my opinion no doubt existed anymore with regard to the egg yolk vaccine, but people have different reactions to these vaccines, and if something of this kind is to be introduced with the Wehrmacht where millions of people are affected -- for example, until 1943 more than one million people has already been vaccinated with the Weigl vaccine, and this was still being continued. Millions were being vaccinated with it, and after all, millions would have to be vaccinated with this new vaccine. Then I need a more positive and more stable basis from a large-scale experiment which has to include at least one thousand people.
Q. How did you do it with the Army Medical Inspect rate in other cases?
A. First of all, as we did it with Rogrschutz vaccine, we first of all made a small experiment with ten people in the academy, or first of all several dozen may have been included, and then after the good compatibility and the harmlessness of the vaccine had been determined, a troop experiment was made with a certain unit, and then it was exactly observed first how many people were unable to perform duty for how long or because of what complications, and the afterwards situation was in the body of the person as a result of the vaccination, and when this result also was satisfactory besides the results of the compatibility, then before it was introduced, I reported to my military commanders about it, and then I vouched for the fact that the people would not become sick through any complications arising from the vaccination and that an immunization would be achieved within the time limits which all these vaccines have.
Q. Now, how do you explain the fact that at the beginning of 1942 the experiments were carried out in Buchenwald of which you have heard here?
A. Well, first of all, I must assume that this was done as it has been stated. However, I am not in a position to judge that in anyway because I do not have any basis for it.
Q. In itself, there cannot be any doubt that infections were actually caused? Or, on the basis of the presentation of evidence, do you have any objection to that?
A. As far as I know, I have not received any positive basis for it so far.
Q. You believe that you cannot make any judgment?
A. No, I can only make assumptions; they are not always good to use.
Q. In the affidavit of Balachowsky, document number 484, which is exhibit 91 of the Prosecution, document book 12, page 64, you will find the following entry:
"Paragraph 4: In the chief committee of this department"--and I add "block 46, Buchenwald" --"the following persons are located:
"Dr. Handloser, Inspector-General of the Medical Service of the Wehrmacht.
"Dr. Conti, Dr. Poppendick, and Dr. Genzken.
On this so-called Chief Committee, persons were instructed by you, Dr. Poppendick, and Dr. Genzken.
Do you know anything about such chief committee?
A. In connection with this I can only report that I do not know the Buchenwald Concentration Camp, that I do not know the Institute for Typhus Research at Buchenwald, and that I have never had any contact with it. Therefore, I cannot have been a member of any superior committee, of which I have never even heard.
DR. NELTE: May it please the Tribunal, after the conclusion of this complex, I would like to present the following documents:
First of all, I would like to present an affidavit by Professor Reiter. It is document HA-25; it is located in my document book at page 38, and I present it as Exhibit 10 to the Tribunal.
MR. MCHANEY: With respect to the affidavit of Reiter, the prosecution reserves the right specifically in this case to call the witness and subject him to cross-examination --- he is right here in Nurnberg in jail; or, as an alternative, we reserve the right to submit a cross-affidavit from Reiter.
In order that there be no misunderstanding, I would like to have it understood that the prosecution reserves suck a right with respect to any of the affidavits being submitted, and that it will not be necessary for me to make that reservation on each occasion.
THE PRESIDENT: The prosecution may have the right to either call the affiant as a witness or to put in another affidavit or statement by the witness.
DR. NELTE: I only want to point out that Professor Reiter has answered the question that he participated in any conference, as it is stated in the Ding diary, on the 29th of December, 1941. He has stated in this connection: "I have not participated in any conference with this group of persons dealing with this subject." He further states that discussions about typhus did take place, but not in the way stated in the diary. I therefore request that this document be accepted as -
MR. MCHANEY: (Interposing): I ask that defense counsel be directed to read this complete affidavit into the record. he has merely paraphrased certain portions of it. It is quite apparent, on reading the affidavit as a whole, that Reiter himself admits that he did attend a meeting on or about the date mentioned in the Ding diary. He goes on to state that there was some indication that there might be some suspicious experiments carried out.
I think it only fair that this affidavit be read into the record, since he is offering it.
THE PRESIDENT: The suggestion of the Prosecution is appropriate. The entire exhibit will be read into the record.
DR. NELTE: "I, Professor Dr, Reiter, have been warned that I will be subject to punishment if I make a false affidavit. I declare under oath that my testimony corresponds to the truth and was given in order to be submitted in evidence to Military Tribunal I, Nurnberg, Palace of Justice.
"The defense counsel of Professor Dr. Handloser, Dr. Otto Nelte, has quoted to me the entry in the diary of the Section for Typhus and Virus Research of the Waffen SS, Buchenwald, of 29 December 1941, as follows", and I quote:
"Conference of Medical Inspector, Generaloberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Handloser.
"Reich Health Leader, State Secretary, SS Gruppenfuehrer Dr. Cont "President Professor Reiter, Reich Health Office.
"President Professor Gildemeister, of the Robert Koch Institute, Reich Institution for Combatting Contagious Diseases.
"SS Standartenfuehrer lecturer Dr. Mrugowsky of the Hygiene Instiute of the Waffen SS in Berlin.
"The conclusion was reached that it is necessary to test the compatibility and effectiveness of typhus vaccines made from chicken vitelline sacs. Since animal experiments do not permit adequate evaluation, experiments must be conducted on human beings." End of quotation.
"In answer to the question of whether I participated in this conference, I declare to the best of my knowledge and belief:
"I did not participate in a conference with this group of persons and with this result.
"I should like to add, by way of explanation, that the typhus problem and the danger threatening Germany caused serious concern at the end of 1941 among all authorities having any responsibility for public health. According to my recollection, I participated in one meeting at the end of 1941 or the beginning of 1942 which dealt with the typhus vaccine situation.
"This was one of the customary meetings in the Reich Ministry of the Interior designed to enlighten the head of the Health Section on a specific question. n general it can be said that Dr. Conti, who called these meetings and presided over them, reached his decis ions independently, on the basis of the reports made to him according to the leadership principle.
' "In addition to Dr. Conti, Dr. Gildemeister of the Robert Koch Institute and Dr. Linden were present at the meeting on the typhus vaccine situation, as far as I can recall.
I cannot remember that Professor Handloser or any other representative of the Wehrmacht was present, nor whether any special SS representative attended. At this meeting Professor Gildemeister gave an orientation report to the Reich Health Leader, Dr. Conti, emphasizing the essential difference between the typhus vaccine produced in Lwow and Cracow by the Weigl method and the vaccine produced at the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin under the direction of Professor Gildemeister, according to the method of Geheimrat Dr. Otto of Frankfurt-am-Main. There followed a discussion in which the effect of the tested vaccine produced by the OKH Institute in Cracow and Lwow was particularly recognized, while the effect of the Otto vaccine was reported as being not so certain.
"The conference was broken off by Dr. Conti with the remark that he would discuss this question in the future with Professor Dr. Gildemeister alone.
"I did not attend any other discussion of this subject. The entry in the so-called diary of the Section for typhus and Virus Research can therefore not refer to the above-mentioned discussion.
"In the meeting which I mentioned, no conclusion was reached, as given in the entry. This is especially true of the following sentence: 'Since animal experiments do not permit adequate evaluation, experiments must be conducted on human beings.'
"Nor was anything said at this discussion of transferring experiments with typhus vaccine to the SS; that is, to the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen SS. Nor did I hear anything later on about the Section for Typhus and Virus Research, nor of the name Dr. Ding.'
"Nurnberg, 24 January 1947. Signed: Professor Dr. Reiter.
"The above affidavit was signed on 24 January 1947 personally in my presence by Professor Dr. Reiter."
THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal will now recess until 1:30 o'clock.
(A recess was taken until 1330 hours)
THE MARSHAL: The Tribunal is again in session.
THE PRESIDENT: At this time the Tribunal desires to announce that at the close of the session tomorrow afternoon the Tribunal will be in recess until 9:30 Tuesday morning. This is done on account of conflicts with other Tribunals, so the recess at the end of the session tomorrow afternoon will be until 9:30 o'clock Tuesday morning.
The Counsel may proceed.
DR. NELTE: Another document on the subject, I submit an affidavit of Doctor Genzken. HA-26, Document Book 2, page 41. I offer this Document as Exhibit 11. It contains the statement of the defendant, Doctor Genzken, that he did not belong to any committee such as Balachowsky mentioned, and no such committee existed. I ask that this be accepted as Exhibit 11.
There are the same statements in the affidavit for Doctor Poppendick. This is Document HA-27, in Document Book 2, page 42. It also says, "I never belonged to a committee or central committee and I do not know of any such committee or central committee." I ask that this be accepted as Exhibit 12.
The third participant in this committee was Professor Mrugowsky, and I also offer an affidavit from him as Document HA-24, in the Document Book 2, page 25. This will be Exhibit 13, and in agreement with the Prosecution, I will not read this affidavit, but only refer to its contents. It contains arguments to the effect that on the 29th of December 1941, no such discussion took place, and it also explains the name for Typhus and Virus Research. Mrugowsky points out that the name which was announced to the Krakow Institute did not mean there was any official connection with the Krakow Institute. I ask that this Document be accepted as Exhibit 13.
Finally I submit a Document from Professor, Doctor Otto, who has several times been mentioned by the defendant on the witness stand. He is the inventor of the Typhus vaccine from chicken eggs. The essential point of this affidavit is to prove that in 1941, the Typhus vaccine produced from the intestines of lice, according to the Weigl method, is produced at OKH Institute in Krakow, and was the best vaccine at that time and did not require any experimentation.
I submit this affidavit, HA-44, as Exhibit 14. This affidavit is in Document Book 3, which unfortunately has not yet been translated and is not yet available.
THE PRESIDENT: This affidavit of Doctor Otto, where is it Doctor Nelte?
DR. NELTE: It is in Document Book 3 which is not yet available. It will be Exhibit 14 and 14-A; 14-A is a special reprint from a medical journal which the defendant Professor Handloser mentioned.
MR. McHANEY: The Prosecution, of course, reserves the right to object to the admissability of this document when it is available in English. I have not seen it.
THE PRESIDENT: The admissability of the document will not be considered until it is before the Tribunal and examined by the Prosecution.
DR. NELTE: Mr. President, the document is available only the translation is not yet ready.
THE PRESIDENT: I understand that, but it is not available to the Tribunal nor to the Prosecution, as I understand it, at this time.
DR. NELTE: Then, I ask that this number be reserved for this document.
BY DR. NELTE:
Q Professor Handloser, you mentioned the name, Gildemeister, with whom you had discussions at the end of 1941 concerning Typhus vaccines; is that true?
A Yes.
Q Professor Gildemeister is also mentioned in the Ding diary several times in the year 1942 as having visited Buchenwald, and Block 46. In order to clarify this, I ask you did Professor Gildemeister ever tell you of these experiments in Buchenwald, and the methods used in Buchenwald?
A No, never.
Q Doctor Kogon, in his testimony, assorted there was a connection between the Typhus and Virus research at Buchenwald and the Military Medical Academy. He asserted that because Doctor Ding was at the meeting of the consulting specialists in May 1943, and made a speech in which he said that there was a connection between Buchenwald and the military Medical Academy.