The sentence is on page 76 of the English Document Book, on top of the page: "In reprisal for a mine attack near Rajac, 6 hostages hanged at the place of the surprise attack."
Those are the four cases that were being questioned.
MR. DENNEY: In reply to a request by counsel for the defendant Rendulic, I would like to hand his counsel a copy of "Recht der Landkriegsfuehrung", and in that the prosecution is signed out with this book from the library, I would appreciate it if counsel would make such use of it as he needs and return it within one week, lest we be fined.
Mr. Fenstermacher has made available to counsel for the defense, an additional list of 54 documents which are in the document room, under a memorandum of 4 August. I now hand to Dr. Laternser a large stack of material which I have not counted, and which comprises the balance of the documents which the prosecution has in Nuernberg. These documents have never been translated, and I am giving him the original photostatic copies. He may have them for as long as he wants; however, I would certainly appreciate it if he could have them returned to us ultimately.
In addition, here is one more, and Mr. Fenstermacher's memorandum covering the deliveries.
THE PRESIDENT: To what exhibit and what matter do these documents refer, Mr. Denney?
MR. DENNEY: They are documents, if Your Honors, please, which were sent to us from Washington in connection with our request throughout the case that any material having any bearing whatsoever on this matter be forwarded to Nurnberg. This material has been sent under that directive. We have felt that it is not such material as has sufficient bearing on the case to warrant its presentation to the Court; however, in line with our discussion with Your Honors, and defense counsel of last week, we are delivering all of the documents to Dr. Laternser for his examination.
These copies which have been physically handed to him today, together with the various lists which have been made available to him from the document room, comprise all of the documents which we have here except those which are being held for cross examination and except those which are in the document books.
I now hand Your Honors three copies of an addendum to Document Book 3, 24 copies for defense counsel, two copies for Major Hatfield, one for the interpreters and one for the reporters. This is an addition to 113-A, which appears at the close of document book 3 and concerns Exhibit 100-B in its various parts. It should be marked page 173 and inserted at the end of Document Book 3.
I now hand Your Honors three copies and 24 for defense counsel of another paper which I shall identify in a moment. Two copies for Major Hatfield, and one for the court reporters and interpreters. This should be marked Exhibit 319-A, and placed at the conclusion of Document Book 12. The pagination is 166 and 167. Two copies for Major Hatfield and one for the court reporters and interpreters. This should be marked Exhibit 336-A for identification and given pages 143 and 144, and placed at the conclusion of Document Book 13. This last copy which has been handed to Your Honors, defense counsel, the interpreters, the reporters, and Major Hatfield, should be marked 363-A, pages 144 and 145 of Document Book 14. And copies for the court, the defense counsel, the interpreters, reporters and Major Hatfield have been given as the last insert which is Exhibit 373-A page 79 of Document Book 15.
At this time I am advised by counsel for the defense that the defendant Dehner is no longer represented by counsel, and requests that an adjournment until 1:30 be granted in order that an effort maybe made by Dr. Laternser on behalf of the defendant Dehner to obtain counsel for him, and it is my understanding that if defense counsel are unable to obtain someone at that time a further adjournment until tomorrow morning may be requested. However, they hope to work something out between now and 1:30.
THE PRESIDENT: The request and application made by Mr. Denney will be granted. The Tribunal respectfully asks Dr. Laternser to make his contacts and to make every effort to have a representative of the defendant Dehner here at 1:30.
The Tribunal will now stand in recess until 1:30.
(Thereupon at 10:05 a.m., a recess was taken until 1:30 p.m.)
THE MARSHAL: Persons in the Courtroom will please find their seats.
The Tribunal is again in session.
THE PRESIDENT: Are there any matters that you desire to present to the Court or to the Tribunal at this time?
MR. DENNEY: May it please Your Honors, Dr. Laternser, on behalf of the Defendant Dehner who is absent, has advised me that he has tentatively secured a counsel for the Defendant Dehner and that this afternoon they are conferring in an effort to determine whether the counsel is satisfactory to the defendant and whether the counsel can undertake the case. And I have been advised by a member of the Defense Information Center that the proposed counsel is satisfactory to them; and with that in mind, in view of the absence of the Defendant Dehner, defense counsel have asked me to request that we adjourn until 9:30 tomorrow morning. The Prosecution has no objection in order to enable the Defendant Dehner to secure counsel, and it is so requested by the Prosecution.
THE PRESIDENT: Does Dr. Laternser care to make any statement at this time in connection with this matter?
DR. LATERNSER: Your Honor, what Mr. Denney said just now is quite correct. I assume that the question of the defense counsel for General Dehner can be decided this afternoon. Since General Dehner himself is not present now, I, in his name, ask for an adjournment.
THE PRESIDENT: Will Mr. Denney or Dr. Laternser advise the Tribunal during the afternoon as to what they may learn as to the developments?
MR. DENNEY: I certainly will, if I hear anything, Your Honor.
THE PRESIDENT: Now, in connection with the motion which is made on behalf of the defendants for the sending of representatives of defense counsel to Washington and the resistance thereto, which was presented to the Tribunal during the morning, may I make an inquiry as to whether or not the documents that you turned over to Dr. Laternser this morning bear upon that question? I am directing my inquiry to Mr. Denney.
MR. DENNEY: Yes, Your Honor, they are the balance of the documents which we had here. We never had them translated, and there, as Your Honors saw this morning, quite a substantial pile of them.
THE PRESIDENT: And does the record show what they are---the number and the amount of them?
MR. DENNEY: The record, I believe, does not show the number, Your Honor. The communication which was handed to Dr. Laternser from Mr. Fenstermacher by me lists the documents, and other than a statement that there are a large number of documents, the record does not show what they are either by document, name or number or pagination.
THE PRESIDENT: And it's stated in the resistance, on behalf of the exception of some few that you may be withholding for purposes of the Prosecution for cross examination.
MR. DENNEY: Your Honor, they are all that are here in Nurnberg and all of which we have been advised from Washington; and of course they do not include the balance of the document books. We are on No. 16 now --say six document books plus a book for the Norwegian, which is seven; and there may be one more of the general documents that are being processed now.
THE PRESIDENT: I am making these inquiries for purposes of the record and also for the information of the Tribunal.
MR. DENNEY: I might say that the answering papers were served on the defendants--that is, given to defense counsel--eleven copies just before this afternoon's session. I left some in Your Honors' office during the luncheon period, and copies were served on the Secretary General's office during the noon hour.
THE PRESIDENT: I think that answers the inquiries that I have in mind unless other members of the Tribunal have some statement to make. The application and motion for adjournment until 9:30 tomorrow morning, will be granted. This Tribunal will stand in adjournment then until 9:30 tomorrow morning.
THE MARSHAL: The Tribunal will be in recess until 9:30 tomorrow morning.
(The Tribunal adjourned at 1340, to resume session Wednesday, 6 August 1947, at 0930.)
Official Transcript of the American Military of Tribunal in the matter of the United States of America, against Wilhelm List, et al, defendants, sitting at Nurnberg, Germany, on 6 August 1947, 0930-1630, Justice Burke presiding.
THE MARSHAL: Persons in the court room will please find their seats.
The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal V.
Military Tribunal V is now in session. God save the United States of America and this Honorable Tribunal.
There will be order in the court.
JUDGE WENNERSTRUM: The Tribunal will ascertain whether all the defendants are present in the court room May it please your Honors, all defendants are present in the court room.
The persons in the court room will be seated.
JUDGE WENNERSTRUM: Judge George Burke will preside at today's session of the Tribunal.
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: You may proceed, Mr. Denney.
MR. DENNEY: May it please your Honors, I have received a notice from Dr. Mueller-Torgow asking for the balance of Exhibit 336, which, if your Honors recall, is Document NOKW 293 and concerned the German occupation of Croatia. I now hand Dr. Torgow the balance of the exhibit and the court can see that it is about 250 pages. The matters which arc covered are the Italian occupation, the occupation of Finland, the occupation of Rumania, the occupation of Hungary, and some other allied matters. I would like to get this document back from Dr. Mueller-Torgow when it has served its purpose
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: Is counsel for defendant Dehner present today?
MR. DENNEY: May it please your Honors, Dr. Laternser yesterday was able to arrange for Dr. Gawlick to represent the defendant Dehner and it is my understanding that although, at least a formal notice to that effect has not been served on the Prosecution, and I don't know about the Tribunal, that Dr. Gawlick is agreeable to representing the defendant Dehner and the Defendant Dehner is agreeable to having Dr. Gawlick represent him.
Perhaps Dr. Gawlick would like to make a statement for the record to that effect in order that your Honors can be informed from him.
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: If he cares to do so I'm sure the Tribunal will be glad to hear him.
DR. GAWLICK: (Attorney for the defendant Dehner) Your Honors, if the Tribunal agrees I have taken over the defense of the defendant Dehner. Of course it is extremely difficult for me to intervene in the process at this moment. I had refrained, so far, from asking for a postponement. However, I might have to ask for adjournment when the proper time arises. In the event that it is not possible for me to get the necessary evidence, when the turn for my case comes.
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: I think the Tribunal is mindful of the difficulties involved in your coming into the case at this time and we will try to suit the situation to the convenience of your client and yourself.
MR. DENNEY: It is believed that Dr, Gawlick will be able to obtain all of the document books which the former advocate for the defendant Dehner had and I might say for the record that yesterday afternoon Dr. Gawlick came to the prosecution office and we made available to him for a cursory examination all of the documents which will be submitted today concerning his client. The other documents, of course, are in the record and if we can be of any help
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to him by spending time out of court over these documents we will be very glad to do it.
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: I am sure the members of the Tribunal will appreciate any cooperation and assistance and help you may be able to furnish so as to prevent unnecessary delay.
MR. DENNEY: We proceed now to Document Book XVI. We still are in the period late '43 and early '44. The establishment of Army Group F has already been detailed At this time the defendant Weichs is still the Commanding General of Army Group F; his chief of staff is the defendant Foertsch. Army Group E was under the command of General Loehr; Military Commander in Serbia was General Felber and his chief of staff was the defendant Geitner; under Army Group E there is the 18th Corps commanded by the defendant Felmy, the 22nd corps commanded by the defendant Lanz, and on the other side, the 2nd Panzer Army under the defendant Rendulic, and under the XVth Mountain Corps and the 21st Mountain Corps, each of which were commanded at different times by the defendant Leyser, and the 69th Mountain Corps which was commanded by the defendant Dehner.
On page 1 of the English and 1 of the German is Document NOKW 648. Major Hatfield, is this Exhibit 374? Thank you, which the Prosecution offers as Exhibit 374. This is extracts from the war diary of the 69th Corps and at one page in the diary there is a signature of the defendant Dehner, on page 5 of the original, - I shall point it out to the Court as we pass it and hand the document up momentarily. The first entry is for the 23 September 1943. It speaks of "strong enemy forces in Ivan Zabno and Eastward from there approximately 4,000 men armed with guns, light machine guns and trench mortars.
On the basis of the order of the Commander in Chief of the 2nd Panzer Army - No. 38/43 secret dated 15 September" - and it is submitted that is the order which is Exhibit No. 340 which is in Document Book XVI, at page 15 of that document book. That, if your Honors will recall, is the order of the defendant Rendulic which sets up the 50 to 1 ratio for a German killed and 25 to 1 for a German wounded and goes into some detail with reference to retaliatory measures.
-"the corps headquarters, pursuant to this order, issues an inclusive order pertaining to, 1) Propaganda to induce desertion, 2) Taking of hostages, 3) Evacuation and installation of work camps, 4) Reprisal measures. See enclosure."
And then under date of 4-10, 4 October, "A total of 40 hostages executed as reprisal for the attacks an railroads of the last few days.
..."
And below that on page 4 of the German, page 2 of the English, there appears the signature of Steinbeck, Colonel in the General Staff Corps, who was Chief of Staff for the 69th Corps, and Dehner, General der Infanterie, Commander of 69th Res. Corps.
Then on 17 October.
"Reprisal measures reported executed for attack on Novska by 187th Res. Div. That is one of the corps units. "After the arrests of 27 male hostages, 50 to 60 years of age (1/3 of these were railroad personnel in Novska) who were proved to have been members of bands, and after the evacuation of the population, the villages of Paklenica and Vocanica were burned down."
This has to do with the particulars of Count 2, Paragraph 9-G, in the indictment.
Then 19 October, Mopping up of the Fruska Gora by police in the area of Rakovac.
75 people suspected of belonging to bands were arrested. 5 enemy dead. Village burned down because nest of the band.
And then on the 11th:
At the same time, band attack by approximately 3 to 4 hundred men against the bridgehead of Broke. Both attacks miscarry. In many cases hand to hand combat occurs.
For the next entry, this is a time entry, 15.30. It is submitted, it is still under the date November 11:
173rd Res. Div. reports hanging of 20 hostages and shooting to death of 20 hostages, as reprisal for railroad sabotage near Stara Pazova, where an SS transport ran on to a mine and as reprisal measure for an attack on railroad patrol 40 Km. Southeast of Vukovar.
And then for December 2:
"In the sector of the 173rd Res. Div. --" which is also one of the subordinate units of the 69th Corps.
"4 inhabitants of the bandit village Ugrinovei were hanged in the village, 2 dugouts which were destroyed and 5 fleeing bandits were shot dead as a reprisal measure for railroad sabotage."
And at the end appears the signature of Steinbeck, Chief of Staff, and where it is typed "General of Infantry, and Commanding General of LXIXth Res. Corps, there is no signature above that.
We will pass this up to Your Honors. Above that appears the signature of defendant Behner. Then if you will give it to Major Hatfield, after you have read it, please.
On page 5 of the English and page 11 of the German, NOKW 658, which becomes Exhibit 375. This entire exhibit is all typed. There is no signatures on it at all. There are various pencilled notations, and we see "War Diary", and there are various initials, and various interlineations, and reports from the 69th Corps to the 2nd Panzer Army, and the 2nd Panzer Army at this time was commanded by the defendant Rendulic, and the 69th Corps by the defendant Dehner. There are information copies that go through out to the Military Commander Southeast, Belgrade, and at this time that was the then General Felber; and also to Corps Headquarters IV Corps, Banja Luke, and Commanding General IV Corps, then at that time was General Leyser, and also copy to the German General - Plenipotentiary in Croatia, and I would like to call the court's attention to the statement "only for the personal information of the Chief of the General Staff."
The first report for the 20th September, and is one for the 173rd Reserve Division, and it recites the activities for the previous day:
Band base raided and destroyed during the partial operation SS-Gruppenfuehrer Kamerhofer. Own casualties: 3 wounded, 36 enemy dead, 21 members of band shot to death, about 60 prisoners brought in.
Then the report for the 21st but including the 20th of September, 187th Reserve Division:
"10 hostages hanged on the scene of the incident in further reprisal for the attack on truck of Croatian Panzer Regiment 202."
Then there is a reference to an earlier report.
Then the report for the 23rd, submitted the 24th, for the 173rd Division:
Search of the eastern part of Pruska Gora on 22.9 during operation SS Gruppenfuehrer Kammerhofer near G R G E T E G, search also of B U K O V A C and of K L O S T E R (Monastery) R E M E T A (northeast of Grgeteg). Grgeteg and Bukovac and villages burned down.
(Last 3 words struck out).
During these operations 2 wounded of our own. 13 enemy dead, 18 members of bands executed, 40 hostages taken.
For 187th Reserve Division:
Attack on G R A B O V O (9 southeast of Vukovar) during the night of 22.9 at 2130 o'clock. 1 German and 2 Hungarian farm managers shot to death. Grain was taken away. Leader of the band was a former manager of the farms, who had been dismissed. Continuation of operation Kammerhofer on 23.9.
All male inhabitants of K R U S E D O L - P R N J AV O R (16 northeast of R U M A) had fled. 84 persons arrested, among them 20 men and 6 women, unmasked as bandits.
187th Reserve Division:
a) During the night 22./23.9. attack on V I R O V I T I C A repelled. 100 hostages taken because shots were fired from private houses."
Then for the 25th, the 187th Division, still reporting through the 69th Corps, through the 2nd Panzer Army, with information copies to the same headquarters which were initially noted:
"While advancing in preparation for the operation, parts of the 5th Battery of the Artillery Reserve Regiment 96 with infantry cover were attacked by a strong band in the forest 1 km northeast Vranovci." and then they recite their casualties.
"Only minor contacts with the enemy during whole operation."
And then they refer to "The noted band case of Busnjevci, was burned down in reprisal for the attack.
Under d) "100 men forcibly recruited in Prestovak."
Then for the 30th of September, 173rd Division:
"15 hostages executed by police on the scene of the incident for the mine attack on Wehrmacht transport train which caused the death of 1 man of the escort personnel - as reported in the daily report 28.9. paragraph IIa.
Then for the 3rd October, to the 173rd Division again, "At total of 40 hostages executed on the scene of the incident by the police (last words crossed out) as reprisal measure for the attacks on the railroad of the last few days."
And that which is submitted is the same one referred to under entry in this report. The operation by and SS Officer named Kammerhofer.
173rd Reserve Division:
Police Operation Kammerhofer:
"The forest terrain west of OBB R E Z was combed on 7.10. No contact with the enemy. The summer camp and the band were destroyed, as well as the village of V I T O J E V C I, which was burned down, No losses of our own, 25 prisoners and hostages.
And on the same day 187th Division:
"100 hostages taken in reprisal for the attack on the main railway line near Novska. The villages of Paklenica and Vocarica were evacuated and burned down."
"Residents of Koritna --"
This is a reference to the same section of the report which appeared earlier in the prior exhibit at page 2 of this book. The report in that instance went from Corps to Army, and here is another copy of the same report from the Corps to the Army:
"--were found to be infected with communism and to be looting the neighborhood. Reprisal measures are started. Communist courier detained, hanged after interrogation."
Then on the 9th October, 187th Division:
"20 people suspected of belonging to bands were executed from the neighborhood at the locality of the incident in reprisal for the attack of the 9.10., 01.30 o'clock, on the freight train on the main railroad 12 miles southeast Vinkovcias reported in the morning report 9.10."
This refers to Count I of the indictment, Paragraph 5-M, In the report for 12 October again 187th Division: "2 bandits arrested in Koritna. 1 of them hanged immediately. Hostages taken."
I would like to hand this to the interpreters. I will mark the sentence and ask that they translate it, if that is agreeable with Dr. Laternser. I can't seem to figure out what it is in the English here.
JUDGE BURKE: It may be handed to the interpreters.
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: To what line, on what page are you making reference?
MR. DENNEY: It is the 1st line under 173rd Division, on page 15, your Honor, and it is page 36 of the German, the last paragraph on that page, the first line which begins with: "In the villages--"
PRESIDING JUDGE BURKE: Thank you.
MR. DENNEY: Just the one sentence, the sentence I have marked.
THE INTERPRETER: The translation from the original German is as follows: "In the villages through which the calvalry passed, only old people and children."
MR. DENNEY: "In the villages through which the calvalry passed, only old people and children. 11 fleeing bandits shot to death. According to reports of confidential agents, parts of bands with women and children had fled in a southwesterly direction across the Save between the villages of Bosut and Jamena during the last days."
And then the report for the 15th of October under the 187th Reserve Division:
"Band group in strength of about 1,000 men reported near Bezje. Majority of population of the villages of Paklencia and Vocarica taken hostages. Villages burned down as reprisal measure for the band attack on Novska."
And again we have the same reference to which we earlier referred, both in this report and also from the War Diary of the 69th Corps.
"Outside of the security sector: Panzer train 23 hit a mine between Blinski Kut and Sunja. Railway line 15.10. Road reopened for traffic 15.30. As reprisal measure village of Kinjacka burned down."
And a report for the 17th of October, still from the 69th Corps and still going to the same headquarters, the Second Panzer Army, and the same information copy, 187th Reserve Division report:
"Arrest of a woman teacher as hostage in Kapela whose husband, a Croatian captain, deserted to the bandits and who wanted to persuade soldiers of his company to desert also."
Report for the 19th:
"The area of Rakovac was especially searched during the moppingup of Fruska Gora by police troops Kammerhofer 18.10. Enemy contact with small band groups. 5 enemy dead. Several dugouts and hideouts in Rakovac were destroyed. The village which was a pronounced nest of bandits was burned down. 75 people suspected of belonging to bands arrested."
"187th Division: 3 bandits lured into ambush by patrol of the VI. Ustasha Battalion near Ljeskovica shot to death during the night. Among them were communist village leaders. Important documents captured."
Then for the 20th for the 187th Division:
"Passenger train 12 northeast Bjelovar hit a mine. Bandits attacked train, looted and "burned it. After action by parts of the Res. Gren. Battalion, 2nd Battalion of the 482nd Regiment they withdrew in the direction of Sandrovac. 25 members of the band were executed and their execution made public as reprisal measure for this attack and the attack on Vukusavljevica on the 16th."
And for the 30th for the 187th Reserve Division:
"7 bandits in German uniforms were given battle by a patrol of Str: Topolje. No losses of our own. Enemy losses: 3 dead, 9 people suspected of being bandits, shot to death."
The 1st of November for the 187th Reserve Division:
"During reconnaissance in the area of Potocari 6 bandits shot. Captured material: 3 rifles. During reconnaissance by Ustasha troops stationed in Krizevic in the area northeast Krizevci, 7 bandits shot, 4 captured."
For the 2nd of November for the 187th Reserve Division:
"3 bandits hanged by the 1st Battalion of the 130th Regiment during reconnaissance in the forest area around Vrbanja and Drenovci."
DR. LATERNSER: Your Honors, unfortunately, at the moment I can not follow the proceedings. The fact that the numbers of the pages are not given in German -- I cannot find the page which is being read.
MR. DENNEY: I am sorry, your Honors, I will give the pages in German. Excuse me, Dr. Laternser. This is on page 53 of the German and page 22 of the English, report for the 2nd of November for the 187th Reserve Division. It appears on the bottom of page 53 of the German.
"3 bandits hanged by the 1st Battalion of the 130th Regiment during reconnaissance in the forest area around Vrbanja and Drenovci."
And then under the date of 1 November:
"2nd and 3rd Battalions of the 8th Mountain Regiment surrounded and searched C. Daruvar and Sibovac. 1 supply commissar and 1 bandit shot to death."
I again direct your Honors' attention to the use of the word, "commissar."
"34 bandits and people suspected of belonging to bands arrested. Captured material: 2 rifles, 2 vehicles horses drawn carrying bandages, food, tools, equipment and courier mail."
On page 23 of the English, page 55 of the German, report for the 4th of November, 1943:
"173rd Reserve Division: 100 bandits hanged for the attack on railroad Ratkovac-Ledinci, railroad attack Mitrovica, and attack on Police forces near Grgurevci."
"187th Reserve Division in the Brcko Area:
"Gradacac and Modrica occupied by 2 Communist brigades (approximately 1200 men).
And over on the top of page 56 of the German and still on page 23 of the English: and still for 187 Res. Div.:
"664 hostages taken by SS-police sector leader Osijek -- for 180 missing during attack on labor service camp Josipovac. These hostages were from Bundimci and BijeloBrda. Bandit leaders and the police are discussing exchange."
And then I would like to direct the Court's attention here to the part with reference to the exchange negotiations about these prisoners, the 664 taken by the SS in retaliation for the 180 people missing and that the police reports here to the army about it and the army makes a note that the SS are negotiating with the bandits with an eye to a possible exchange at some later date.
And then on page 57 of the German and 24 of the English, report for the 5th of November for the 187th Reserve Division:
"After railroad sabotage 3 kilometers east of Nova Gradiska the terrain north of the location of the detonation combed. Bandits and people suspected of being bandits hanged on the scene of detonation. 3 or 4 bandits shot to death during reconnaissance northwest of Koprivnica. No other contact with enemy."
Page 59 of the German and page 25 of the English, for the 6th of November, still from the same unit, the 69th Corps and directed to the 2nd Panzer Army with the same information copies:
"173rd Divisions: 19 Communists hanged at scene of detonation in reprisal for railroad explosion Mitrovica-Lacarak on 1.11," and that is the same one that is referred to in an earlier section of this same exhibit.
"187th Reserve Division: Jamena after evacuation as a pronounced bandit next partly burned down."
Page 61 of the German and page 26 of the English -- this should be the "8th of November" up here at the top, your Honors. There is nothing in the English. However, on the original it says: "Teletype dated 8 November 1943." It is a daily report for the 7th of November:
"173rd Reserve Division: 21 hostages shot to death as reprisal for the attack on the freight train between Lacarak-Martinoi as reported in the daily report of 7.11. paragraph II"; and that, of course, refers to the paragraph which appears in the prior page, page 25 of the English and page 59 of the German.
And then on page 65 of the German, page 27 of the English, report for the 11th of November: