The last sentence says that a further meeting took place at the Hygiene Institute cf the Waffen SS on.20 November 1942 in which your assistant took part.
A I did not receive any report about that and it was not reported to me that Mrugowsky visited the Hygiene Institute or that he made any visits there; I know nothing about these Rascher experiments.
Q What was your rank in the SS, Doctor?
A SS Gruppenfuehrer.
Q You had control over the activities of your subordinates; didn't you?
A My control went as for as it was necessary. I controlled the various departmental chiefs, but only to the ***nt to which it was necessary. I gave them all the freedom which a scientist is to have.
Q I have no further questions, Your Honor.
BY THE PRESIDENT:
Q Witness, referring to the chart which you prepared, Genzken Exhibit 5, which has been admitted in evidence, I note on the left of the block for Himmler, if you will look at the chart, the box containing the name Grawitz, under that is a box marked "Reichs Security Main Office;" who was in that office in charge of conducting that office?
A The chief of the Reichs Security main - Office was Heydrich and after his death Obergrupenfuehrer Kaltenbrunner.
Q Now in the middle?
A This is S.S.U.V.H.A., the main economic and administrative main office; its chief was Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl.
Q In the box below that; inspection of concentration camps, who was the head of that?
A The inspectorate cf the concentration camps was Gruppenfuehrer Gluecks.
Q And who was in immediate control cf the camp at Buchenwald?
A The Camp Commander?
Q Yes.
A I only learned that here; the name of the last commander was Oberfuehrer Tisder. I think he was SS Oberfuehrer.
Q Do you know who was the chief officer of the medical department in Buchenwald?
A That was the camp physician. There were a number of physicians in the camp and the one with the highest position was called the camp physician and Or. Hoven held that position in Buchenwald. For sometime after him it was Or. Schidlowsky as far as I know.
Q Now, at the column on the right, the first lex, "Personal Staff;" who was Himmler's Chief of Staff?
A Personal staff, as far as I remember it was Obergruppenfuehrer Wolff. This was the first level.
Q I did not get that name, witness?
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Q In the box below "SS Operational Main Office/"
A The chief was Obergruppenfuehrer Hans Juettner. There is another Obergruppenfuehrer Max Juettner who was with the SA. The name of this man is Hans.
Q Now, the medical officer of the Waffen SS; the box below that; was that under your command?
A Yes.
Q Who was second in command to you?
A That was the respective chief of the department for medical service. kt first it w s called Ant. 13; which was the highest office in my group of offices. This so-called chief of the medical service at the beginning of the war hold the rank of an Oberfuehrer; his name was Oberfuehrer Fehrensen. He lost his life in Bucharest, then it was Brigade Fuehrer Berndt, who died after he was in prison for a short time. There was certain Brigadefuehrer Rock and after that it was an Oberfuehrer of the Research Department, Dr. Bliss. These were the gentlemen who held this position and represented me in my absence.
Q And the Hygiene Institute was that under Defendant Mrugowsky?
A Yes.
Q Can you tell me, witness, what person was in command of Block 46 whore the typhus experimental station was located?
A The chief of this block 46 was Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Dina.
Q And was ho also tho chief of Block 50 when tho typhus vaccine was produced?
A Yes, that was added during tho course of tho year 1943; which was testified to by the fitness, Dr. Kogen. In June of 1943 Block 50 began to be built and on the l6th of August it was ready to be used. Production itself started somewhat later since muejp of the apparatus was lacking. A number of the apparatus was only delivered in December or rather September, so before 1943 production was started. This was at the time when the Hygiene Institute was no longer under my jurisdiction.
Q I have no further questions.
RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. MERKEL:
Q. Dr. Merkel, counsel for the defendant Genzken. Witness, with reference to the extermination of Jews during peace-time, that is to say, up to the year of 1939, you heard, nothing in your capacity as the responsible chief physician of concentration camps?
A. No, I never heard, anything about.
Q. During that period of time, that is, up until the beginning of the war you found no objections to the medical institutions at the concentration camps - the hygienic care of the inmates?
A. No, there was no objection to the raised.
Q. The prosecutor when examining you once submitted, that when describing these inmates you actually speaking about the guards, the SS, and you were not speaking about the housing of the inmates. I want to clarify once more that you naturally meant that you actually inspected all of the institutions which were at the disposal of the inmates, that is today, the accommodations, kitchen, laundry, etc. All of that definitely did not refer to the SS but to the inmates?
A. Yes, it referred, to the inmates.
Q. You said that with reference to the leaders of the departments 13, Ih. 15 and 16 you could issue orders to them. What sphere could you touch?
A. I was their military and technical superior, that is to say, I could issue orders in a military and in a technical sphere.
Q. In the affidavit made by the witness Barnewald which I offered in evidence early this me morning it is stated, that in the correspondence before the title "Department for Typhus and Virus Research" there were the letters "RFSS", which is to say Reichsfuehrer SS?
A. Yes.
Q. Couldn't one conclude from that that there was a very clear non-subordination of this experimental station or the Hygiene Institute?
A. Yes, that seems to me to be true. You can usually conclude the superior agency from a letterhead.
Q. The list of Dr. Hoven, the representative of Dr. Ding, was never touched upon by you on occasion of any conference that you had with Professor Mrugowsky and you never ordered it?
A. That's correct. I didn't know that Hoven was the deputy of Ding and the Chief of the Experimental Station. I didn't know that. I learned it here only.
Q. Not only you don't know that but you never ordered it in any form?
A. Well, if I had ordered it I would have has to know about it
Q. And I once more would like to emphasize another point; you already stated that during cross examination when any monies went to you for the benefit of the Hygiene Institute they were only monies which accrued to the Hygiene Institute itself?
A. Yes, that's correct
Q. As f ar as you know there was never any deputy of Grawitz?
A. It was never ordered and there was never any written order to that effect.
Q. You wore not the only leading physician of the SS as the prosecution tried to establish but you were one of a number of leading physicians physicians in various afferent departments if the SS?
A. Yes, were ail of the same level.
Q. You were a participants in the conference with Himmler in August 1943?
A. Yes, I was ordered to attend this conference together with Grawitz.
Q. Is it correct that the purpose of this conference in the first instance was clinical re-organization and re-construction for frontal soldiers?
A. Yes, we were concerned with the clinical re-organization of the Medical Service of the SS.
Q. During that occasion were there any simultaneous discussions about experiments on human beings, concentration camps in general in any.
A. No, no word was spoken about that in my presence.
Q. I once more would like to state in order to clarify the point that according to your memory Professor Mrugowsky in the Spring of 1943 did not report anything about the infection, the series of experiments, the controls, but rather that this report was only made within that frame as yo u already described it in detail this morning when examination.
A. Yes, that's correct.
Q. I have no further questions, Mr. President.
RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. FLEMMING:
Q. I would like to be permitted to pit a few questions to the witness following the cross examination. Witness, --
THE PRESIDENT: Counsel, just announce your name.
Q Dr. Flemming, counsel for the defendant Mrugowsky. Witness, during cross examination you answered a question by the prosecutor in the following manner: Mrugowsky was the cosulting expert officer by Grawitz; he was there for the purpose for which Ding was also assigned there.
A. Will you please repeat that? I didn't quite got it.
Q. Mrugowsky was the consulting expert officer by Grawitz and he was there for the some purpose for which Ding was assigned there, to.
A. No, that must o a mistake. That is something I want to clarify. I didn't say that. I said merely that Grawitz ordered the appointment of Ding and in that connection he asked Mrugowsky's advise, as he was the oldest Hygienic expert -- adviser. I had never mentioned the word "expert officer." I don't know of any such combination.
Q. In that connection I would like to ask you: the so-called advisers W** always reserve officers?
A. Yes, that's true. I know that in most cases with very few conditions they were reserve officers who acted as advisers.
In my agency there were no advisers at all.
Q. So you really didn't mean that Mrugowsky was the consulting man in an official meaning of the word?
A. I merely meant that from case to case as the eldest hygienic advisor he was at the disposal as an expert.
Q. Judging from your statement as I read it, one could interpret a close connection of Mrugowsky with Block 46 In Buchenwald where the experiments were carried out on inmates and it is for that reason that I should like to ask you once mere: you said before that Mrugowsky was only concerned with typhus vaccine production but had nothing to do with the experiments of Ding's on inmates; is that correct?
A. I said that if production had started before August 1943 he would have still been my subordinate. The production of vaccine was supposed to be affiliated through the Hygienic Institute. As far as Block 46, the experimental station, is concerned the same is valid. What is said before here is he was only an expert and had to be at the disposal of the physician as an expert advisor. That is, to the Reichsarzts.
Q. You don't know how often the Reichsarzts made use of that opportunity?
A. I really don't know. I assume and I want to point out that is an assumption, that the Reichsarzts ordered the appointment of Ding and that in that case he took the counsel of Mrugowsky.
Q. Would you mean by that that he asked him whether he thought Ding was the right man for the position?
A. Yes, that's possible.
Q. Thank you. I have no further questions.
DR. GAWLIK: Dr. Gawlik, counsel for the defendant Hoven. Mr. President, I have a few more questions to put to the witness.
BY DR. GAWLIK:
Q. Witness, when testifying about the Kogon Department for typhus and virus research, you stated during the cross examination that Dr. Hoven had been the representative for Block Forty-six, that is, the clinical station?
A. I did not say that, personally. I merely cited it as an utterance made by Dr. Kogon.
Q. Well, here we are not concerned with reciting utterances of Dr. Kogon. He did not say it in this form, either. We are concerned with what you know yourself?
A. I said before I don't know anything about it.
Q. Now, witness, I am again presenting to you a document which had been mentioned once before, No-265. Mr. President, this is page 41 of the German Document Book, volume No. 12, and page 41 of the English Document Book, Page 12. Would you please look at the statement made about the representation of Dr. Ding. One minute witness. Is it correct that according to this entry of Dr. Ding that Defendant Hoven was only a representative of the vaccine production?
A. Yes, that can be seen from this document, namely, that in his absence he had the supervision of the production of the vaccine.
Q. Can it be assumed that if the defendant Hoven had also been the deputy for the clinical station of Block Forty-six, that the diary would have stated that the Stabsarzt-SS was the supervisor of the clinical station and the production of the vaccine?
A. Well, how can I understand that question. I am-
Q. I am asking you whether it is to be assumed. Would not Ding had stated that in his diary?
A. This entry is from the 9 January 1943, and so far as I know from Dr. Hoven, the production of vaccine only started after his departure.
Q. Now, witness, I only want you to speak about the entry in the diary?
A. I assume that HRe was the supervisor for that, too.
Q. Can that be seen from the diary?
A. No, it cannot be seen from the diary.
Q. You know nothing yourself, is that correct?
A. Yes, that is right.
Q. Now, if I presented this diary to you, I mean this entry in this diary, could you then maintain your statement which you made during the cross examination to the effect that the defendant Hoven was the representative of the clinical station, or, would you have to correct that statement?
A. I did not say that, but I cited it as an utterance of Hoven's. No, not Hoven, I mean Kogon, Dr. Kogon. I myself did not say that.
DR. FLEMMING: That is all, thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: Any further examination of this witness?
MR. HARDY: I have no further questions, Your Honor.
DR. MERKEL: I have no further questions, Mr. President. Thank you.
(witness excused)
THE PRESIDENT: Have you a few documents you could offer before the recess time?
DR. MERKEL: Mr. President, I only have approximately six documents from my document book, and I think it may be more expedient to present my documents tomorrow morning, and I don't think I should need longer than half an hour for that purpose.
THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal will be in recess until 9:30 tomorrow morning.
(The Tribunal adjourned until 4 March 1947 at 0930 hours)
Official transcript of the American military Tribunal in the matter of the United States of America, against Karl Brandt, et al, defendants, sitting at Nurnberg, Germany, on 4 March 1947, 0930, Justice Beals presiding.
THE MARSHAL: Persons in the court room will please find their seats.
The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal 1.
Military Tribunal 1 is now in session. God save the United States of America and this honorable Tribunal.
There will be order in the courtroom.
THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Marshal, will you ascertain that the defendants are present in court.
THE MARSHAL: May it please your Honor, all the defendants are present in court with the exception of the Defendant Oberheuser who is absent due to illness.
THE PRESIDENT: The Secretary-General will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court save the Defendant Oberheuser who has been excused on account of illness. Her absence will not prejudice her interests in this case.
Counsel may proceed.
DR. MERKEL (Counsel for the Defendant Genzken): Mr. President, at the conclusion of my submission of evidence I am going to submit the documents which have not been submitted so far. They are only affidavits through which I am going to prove that nothing was known in the Medical Service of the Waffen-SS about experiments in concentration camps, research did not belong to this sphere of the Medical Service of the Waffen-SS. Furthermore, I should like to emphasize by these affidavits the attitude of rejection toward Himmler and Gravitz on the part of Genzken. The first affidavit is Genzken Number 9, page 19 of the Document Book which will become Exhibit No. 9. This is an affidavit of Dr. Joachim-Friedrich Hanisch, and I quote:
"From June 1942 until the end of the war I worked in the From June 1942 until the end of the war I worked in the medical office of the Waffen-SS under Dr. Karl GENZKEN at first as technical advisor in the officers personnel department, and since September 1943 as chief of the department for organization.
During this time I was in contact with Dr. GENZKEN and can therefore make the following statements:
"1. In spring 1943 a commission of Italian physicians paid a visit to Germany to inspect the medical institutions of the Waffen-SS. Dr. GENZKEN accompanied this commission on its trip through Germany and to the eastern front. At the end of this trip he went to Karlsbad for a few-weeks' treatment. SS-Sturmbannfuehrer GROSSMANN accompanied him on this journey. Owing to the strain of the treatment Dr. GENZKEN was for a time not completely fit for work after his return to Berlin, I think it unlikely therefore that Dr. GENZKEN took part in the Osttagung (eastern congress) of the medical officers in the Berlin Military Academy for Medicine, on 24 - 26 May 1943, especially as Dr. GENZKEN never mentioned anything afterwards about any participation in this congress.
"2. The medical scientific research-work and planning of the SS came exclusively under the office of the Reichsarzt Dr. Grawitz, not under the SS Operational Main Office or even the medical office of the Waffen-SS under Dr. Genzken. On every possible occasion Dr. Genzken stressed the fact that his office dealt exclusively with matters concerning the troops, matters which never included scientific tasks and plans of the SS. I do not know, and consider it completely out oi the question that the medical office of the Waffen-SS would have ordered or even suggested printing up anexperimental station for typhus research within Buchenwald concentration camp. When in 1942 an experimental station was put up for purposes of typhus research in block 46 of Duchenwald concentration camp, this was entirely the affair of the Reichsarzt and was neither the affair nor the task of Dr. Genzken. It is therefore also out of the question that the SS-Operational Main Office or the Medical office of the Waffen-SS were the superior authorities for such a research institution of the Reichsarzt within a concentration camp, or that they were even involved.
"I know Dr. Ding superficially as a member of the Hygiene Institute. I knew of no reason why Dr. Genzken should have arranged for Ding's transfer to Buchenwald. I did not hear anything in our office, either officially or unofficially shout typhus experiments on prisoners in Buchenwald, and even less that a large number of prisoners had died under such experiments. There was never any talk, either official or private, about deliberately infecting the prisoners. I am absolutely convinced that Dr. Genzken was not informed about such details, otherwise the subject of such typhus experiments would certainly have come up in the course of the innumerable conversations which I had with him since September 1943. I have never personally seen any scientific reports which Ding allegedly sent to the Hygiene Institute. I know nothing else on this subject and consider at completely out of the question that any correspondence took place between Ding in his capacity as Head of his research station and the Medical Office of the Waffen-SS (Sanitaetsamt der Waffen SS). All that we knew was that Dr. Ding's Institute in Buchenwald was manufacturing typhus vaccina from rabbit lungs or eggs which had been injected.
I think it quite possible that a station of this type for producing serum came under the organization of the Hygiene Institute.
"Nothing was known within the Medical Office of the Waffen-SS (Sanitaetsamt der Waffen SS) concerning any sulfenamide experiments made in the Ravensbrueck concentration camp, nor was anything known of the fact that, in winter 1943 - 1944, Dr. Mrugowsky and Dr. Ding allegedly made experiments with poisoned shells and healing experiments on burns caused by phospheric incendiary bombs. I am convinced that Dr. Genzken knew nothing about these experiments.
"The personal relationship between Dr. Mrugowsky and Dr. Genzken was cool and was not calculated to encourage any exchange of ideas after Mrugowsky had been promoted Chief Hygienist on the staff of the Reichsarzt and after the last shreds cf an official connection had disappeared. "3. With regard to Dr. Genzken's relationship with Himmler and Grawitz I can make the following remarks.
"I know that Dr. Genzken wanted to have a theosophic pamphlet printed in the spring(/)."
Obviously the witness doesn't knew when that took place. From the testimony of the witness Genzken it can be seen it was in the spring of 1944.
"Himmler, in an abusive letter of reply, refused to give his permission for this and warned him that he could only have the pamphlet printed if he no longer belonged to the Waffen-SS. Thereupon Dr. Genzken wanted to resign his resignation, however, was refused. I also recollect that Dr. Genzken repeatedly spoke of the following incident: 'in the course of a conference of technical advisors will Juettnar, the Chief of SS Operational Main Office, in 1941, an alleged infection with veneral disease of the Warshaw Garrison was mentioned. In a written report, which was read out, Himmler spoke of SS-Physicians lacking in honor and sense of duty. Genzken jumped up from his seat at these words, and, in the presence of 40 SS-leaders, said that he would not allow himself to be humiliated, even by a Heinrich Himmler. On this occasion as well, he tendered his resignation and again it was refused.
"I have known Dr. Karl Genzken since 1941, and have been closely connected with him since 1943. I often not him both officially and inofficially. His words and actions always showed a high medical ethos. I am absolutely convinced that he never engaged in any kind of illegal actions or crimes against humanity, and that he never allowed any such actions without objection.'
"In the years during which I was closely connected with Dr. Genzken, Dr. Grawitz and Dr. Genzken were constantly on bad terms with each other. The Reichsarzt SS, who, with regards to Medical Matters of the Wallen-SS, only had the right to make inspections and to give professional orders, was only informed of the affairs of the Medical Office by Dr. Genzken, in very urgent cases.
" Grawitz would never have tolerated any unauthorized person, in this case Dr. Genzken, to meddle with his affairs. Characteristic of the Reich physician was his frequently repeated statement, if any subject which had nothing to do with troops came into a discussion, (e.g. conference with the commissar of the Chief of Health matters, Prof. Brandt, regarding the transfer of doctors for the Waffen-SS): 'Leave that to me, it is a highly diplomatic matter, you will make a muddle.'
"In the consequence Dr. Genzken dealt exclusively with the medical needs of the field and home units of the Waffen-SS, including hospitals of the Waffen-SS, in the field and at home."
DR. MERKEL: The next document will be Genzken No. 6, which is on page 13 of my document book. This will be exhibit No. 10 and I quote: This is an affidavit of Max Peters:
"I was Chief of the Main Department for Personnel Matters in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, from September 1943 to January 1945. Scientific research and planning did not come under the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, but was under Reichsartz Dr. Grawitz. It is quite out of the question that the SS Operational Main Office, and with at the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, was a superior office ever an Institute for Scientific Research of the Reichsarzt, in the Buchenwald Concentration Camp.
"During my activity in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, I knew nothing of the fact that Dr. Ding sent regular reports at regular intervals to the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, concerning his activity at Buchenwald. Nothing concerning these experiments was ever mentioned in the course of official meetings, or another occasions; the office in particular was never informed that a great number of prisoners were taken in, or that in consequence of intentional infection, prisoners died under these experiments."
I next offer the Document Genzken No. 8, which is on page 17 of my document book, and this will become Genzken Exhibit No. 11. This is an affidavit of Herbert Grossman, and reads: I quote:
"I was technical medical leader and personal technical advisor for the medical personnel on the staff of the medical chief of the Waffen SS, Dr. Karl Genzken, from 1942 until the end of the war. From my knowledge in the situation, I can make the following statement:
"Scientific research and planning came under the office of the Reichsarzt SS and Police Dr. Grawitz. If, therefore, an experimental station for typhus was established within Buchenwald concentration camp in 1942, it must have been set up by the Reichsarzt SS; the appointment of the head of this office must also have been made by him and not by Dr. Genzken. Relations between Dr. Grawitz and. Dr. Genzken were rather strained, Court due to the fact that Dr. Grawitz was anxiously and jealously interested in preserving his competences untouched in every way.
"I knew nothing of the fact that during meetings of technical advisers, or on ether occasions, typhus experiments in Buchenwald were discussed officially or unofficially in our office in Berlin. Consequently, nothing was known with regard to the fact that inmates were deliberately exposed to infection and that such inmates died. Personally, I have never seen or heard of any scientific correspondence rehearing research work done by Dr. Ding.
"I never heard anything officially nor unofficially during my service in the medical office, with regard to sulfonamide experiments made in Ravensbrueck..."
I now offer Document No. 3 which is on page 5 of the document book and this will became Genzken Exhibit No. 12. This is an affidavit of Oskar Hock and reads as follows and I quote:
"As far as I can remember I worked as chief of the medical service in the medical office of the Waffen SS from the beginning of May 1940 until about 20 June 1940 and with certainty from the beginning of September 1940 until 15 February 1941, an from 15 July 1943 to 1 September 1943. During that period my field of work comprised the supervision of the troops' medical service at the front and at home, field hospital affairs, medical statistics, the setting up of new medical units for the front troops, as, well as the troops' welfare affairs. From 15 April 1944 until about 15 August 1944 I was entrusted solely with inspection duties in the medical office of the Waffen SS (inspections of field hospitals and other duties within the troops' medical service). During these periods Dr. Karl Genzken was chief of the medical office of the Waffen SS, and thus my immediate superior.
"For the time of my activity in the medical office of the Waffen SS I can make the following statements:
"During my activity as Division Doctor - it may have been towards the end of 1943 or in the first half of 1943, I learned that the lack of typhus vaccines would soon be ****come by the SS producing vaccines of their own in Buchenwald. Details about the production of the vaccines, however, or even about precoding experiments on living human beings, I found out neither at that time nor later during my activity in the medical office. I never heard that the Typhus Institute at Buchenwald was supposed to have been under the official supervision of the medical office of the Waffen-SS. I do not think it likely either-without knowing it exactly -- that the medical office of the superior office of this institute, for research and planning in the medical field was exclusively a matter of the Reichsarzst SS.
"The hygienic institute of the Waffen SS, with the inner organization of which I was never acquainted, worked only for the Waffen SS in the strict moaning of the name, but also for all SS offices beyond the actual Waffen SS and for SS formations subordinate to the Reichsarzt SS, as for instance the SS Main Offices, Higher SS and police leaders, intermediary office for racial Germans etc. The same is true for the main medical camp. During the reorganization of the offices "Reichsarzt SS" and "Medical Office of the Waffen SS" on 1 September, 1943, hygienic institute and medical camps were immediately subordinated to the office "Reichsarzt SS and Police."
Sulfenamide, ph*oonl, phl*gmene and poison experiments did not become known to me during my activity in the medical office of the Waffen SS nor otherwise. I am convinced that only quite a small circle of persons know s . olin -.O'*.. ac 1 caocrrmonts en livln. baa n -oin s ana only insfi..r as these persons were needed directly for the execution of the orders given by the Reichsfuehrer SS or the Reichsarzt SS.
DDuring my activity in the medical office of the Waffen SS 1 did not hear of an SS physician named Ellenbeck who is said to have worked with preserved blood. Neither *** I ever hear of him otherwise.
"There was no department for concentration camps in the medical office of the Waffen SS during my period of activity there.
"I could see on the basis of several private conversations with Dr. Genzken that Dr. Genzken was by no means as for to keep his position under all circumstances, but rather he repeatedly considered resigning due to sharp controversies with the Reichsarzt, and that he even wanted to report his wish to resign to the chief of the SS operational main office, Juettner. Whether it over came to that, I do not know.
"There was a general antipathy means the SS leaders of the medical office pf the Waffen SS against the Reichsarzt because of his entire personality. There were also frequent differences because the Reichsarzt SS repeatedly tried tc interfere with the military competences of the chief of the medical office. On several occasions Dr. Genzken made remarks to me against Mr. Grawitz and his method of administration. I remember that the complained to Juettner about Grawitz.
"I also know that there was talk that Grawitz attenmpted a to extract infomation from expert assistants from to medical office of the Waffen SS who came to see him. In defense, he is said to have ordered those export assistants net to report art this to Dr. Genzken.
4 Court No. 1 "Immediately after the end of the campaign in the West I met Dr. Ding.
During the campaign in the wost he was adjutant to a division physician. In the circles of comrades there was at that time much talk about letters wild Ding wrote to his wife, reporting about his special ***** during the campaign in the West, deeds which he actually never performed. I personally considered him to be a person with an extraorlinary need for recognition. When useful for his purposes he wasn't scrupulous with the use of the truth and was inclined teem exagerations. From my activity in the medical office to exagerations. I do not know that Ding was there in the Main Section Chief for Special Hygienic Tasks.
' As far as I know, such a section for special task, did not exist at all."
And I further ask that I be allowed to offer Genzken No. 5, on page. 10 of my document book, which is going to be Genzken Exhibit No. 13. This is an affidavit of Dr. Liebau, and reads as follows and I quote:
"From the end of May 1940 until August/September 1942 I was working as personnel advisor in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. At that time Dr. Karl Genzken was the head of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. I belonged to that circle of persons who had the closest official connection with Dr. Genzken. I was continually in contact with him. I also frequently met Dr. Genzken unofficially. Our offices were in the same building. On account of my appointment as personnel expert in the medical office of the Waffen SS, and because of my close official and private contact with Dr. Genzken, I can make the following statement concerning the period from the end of May 1940 until August/September 1942:
"Problems of scientific research and planning in the medical sphere within the jurisdiction of the Waffen SS were dealt with exclusively by the Reichsarzt-SS Dr. Grawitz, and not by the SS Operational Main Office or the medical Office of the Waffen SS, which was under the supervision of Dr. Genzken. In the same way every scientific publication in this field on the part of the physicians of the Waffen SS had to be approved by the Reichsarzt-SS Dr. Grawitz. Had scientific research work and planning been within the sphere of activity the Medical Office of the Waffen SS would have had a corresponding department, and this would have been planned and set up. But there was no section or department for scientific research and planning within the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. In addition to the adjutant's office and the special fields "Personnel and Administration" the following special fields were handled by the Medical Office of the Waffen SS Medical Service, Dental Service, Pharmaceutical Service and Hygienic Service. Their tasks consisted exclusively of **** c** services of the members of the Waffen SS at the front and at home. There was a department for a medical service in the concentration camps within the Medical Office of the Waffen SS during my appointment.