A. I don't know. I am not quite clear about it. Whether this matter had anything to do with Saurzweig. All that matters Saurzweig and I were in connection with the concentration camps, of course. There were no concentration camps at the time that particularly Sauerzweig, that I recall, correctly had nothing to do with the concentration camps, and the point of that is it is not direct that I, as it is said here, "in the record" supervised the activity so far as I could. Of the activity of Morgen, first, that I did not know Morgen at the time, and secondly, I did not work on this particular Sauerzweig case. All I knew and all that became known to me was that proceedings were started against him. The investigator at the time was the then Obersturmfuehrer Morgen, whose name appeared at this occasion for the first time. I did not know him at the time.
Q. The depot at Warsaw was under the administration of the defendant Pohl, was it not?
A. I did not know that. The depot was a branch of the WVHA, as there were several in the Reich and the occupied territories.
Q. You knew that corruption existed there, did you not?
A. You mean in the main Economic Camp?
Q. Referring to this specific incident?
A. Yes, about the Economic Camp. I found out that fact when Obersturmfuehrer Morgen had been advised to carry out the proceedings there; and that particular proceeding became known to me.
Q. From the testimony of Dr. Morgan here, it appears that Pohl was a party to this step. Did you know anything about that? About Pohl realizing a personal aim?
A. I did not know anything about it.
Q. Coming to another matter.
JUDGE PHILLIPS: Just a moment. Are you the Schmidt-Klevenow that is mentioned in here as being one of the ones who was mixed up in this assignment?
A. Yes, Schmidt-Klevenow, that is I. In the record, that is, yes.
Q. Yes.
A. As I just said, even I had nothing to do with the entire matter, which at the time I did, now, know Morgen. All I knew was that he was in the Reich Service from the beginning. However, I myself had nothing to do with the proceedings. Neither did I work on it when I heard or saw about it. What I did hear about it and all I did hear was the sentence after that; all I read was the sentence.
Q. So you deny that you were in this, yourself and Pohl?
A. I would not work on the affair of Sauerzweig, and furthermore, Pohl knew of the Sauerzweig case or the trial, that I did not know. I always heard about this, when we received the sentence, and when I was sent to Reichsfuehrer that is what it came through with. I believe I had to write the opinion to the Reichsfuehrer about this, but I could not reach an opinion of the whole complex --
Q. I did not ask you several questions to answer. I asked you if you deny participation in this affair as set out in this record. You can answer that, yes or no?
A. I did not get that?
Q. I just asked you a question. Do you deny or admit your participation in this affair as set out in this affidavit?
A. No, I deny that.
JUDGE PHILLIPS: All right.
BY MR. HIGGINS:
Q. You knew about the trial carried out against Koch at Buchenwald?
A. The trial of Koch also was carried out by a special commission that is by Morgen, who had the case, and I never saw the files, but I know the Koch trial, from the first main proceedings where I participated as a representative of Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl and following the wish of the court together with one representative each of the Main Offices was represented and I heard the first proceedings in Weimar, and that was where I learned of the Koch trial prior to that I had no knowledge about the files.
All I had was a general knowledge that he had been charged with corruption, and also of killing of inmates.
Q. You stated that you represented the WVHA in this trial. You were there. You participated in the trial?
A. I participated as a visitor at the first main proceedings, which then adjourned, and I withdrew. However, in the later proceeding I did not participate.
Q. Is it true that former proceedings against Koch had been quashed by Himmler?
A. I did not know that.
Q. You did not know of prior investigations of Koch for corrupt activity at Buchenwald?
A. You mean prior to that, you mean prior to the trial, prior to the main trial?
Q. Yes, prior to the main trial?
A. Prior to my participation in the main trial that I knew generally speaking that Koch was charged with corruption and killing of inmates, I did not know any details, and of any interruptions by the Reichsfuehrer.
Q. Investigations of corruptions and murders in the concentration camps were discouraged by the defendant Pohl, weren't they? Investigations of conditions within the camp?
A. I did not know that.
Q. Don't you think it would be quite a normal condition of the mind for an individual who is in charge of the administration of concentration camps to have corruption within those camps disclosed?
A. Would you repeat the question please. I did not understand it.
Q. What I had asked is this. Pohl as administrator of the concentration camps, it seems, would be anxious to have investigations of conditions within the camps prevented and obstructed.
Don't you think that would be true? In other words, he was responsible for the administration of the camps, and any corruption which was found to have existed there would have reflected adversely on him?
A. Yes, that is correct. And I believe that Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl would have interfered if he had heard of such corruption case, or if he had received knowledge of such case. I know of no singular case apart from those I just mentioned where there was an intervention.
Q. You said then with the exception of the cases -- the several cases you have cited previously, that Pohl knew nothing about the corruption that existed in the camps, and murders carried out there?
A. I never did hear about it, and nothing was presented to me in such matter. I can not state in here that Pohl did not know anything about it, so I have to assume it, because I would have learned about that if it had been through him. Now in the concentration camps that corruption took place I knew of no other case than those that are known anyway.
Q. Is it possible if a corruption case didn't or did happen that he knew nothing about?
A. I would not know anything about it.
Q. Have you any knowledge of the corruption involving Gruppenfuehrer Fegelein, and Sturmbannfuehrer Fassbaender, that is F-A-S-S-B-A-E-N-D-E-R.
A. No, no. Never heard about it. No.
Q. That was in the beginning of 1942. Referring to the affidavit which you have, and which I read from previously, Morgen states on page 3 of the affidavit that "The third big case dealt with the administration of the entire troop training center Debitscha in Poland. Its Chief, Obersturmbannfuehrer Lechebusch, not only worked for his own pocket but even founded a special cover firm with forged papers which sold enormous quantities of goods by way of the black market.
Even before the case against him had opened, he shot himself. This was in the beginning of 1942." Did you know anything about that particular incident?
A. I know the Lechebusch case and I also knew that Morgen had been ordered to investigate the matter, and when he came back he explained to me that he had placed a pistol on the table of the then Sturmbannfuehrer Lechebusch so he could shoot himself, otherwise, it would have possibly involved other circles, that is how he expressed himself. However, I do not know any details about this entire matter, because I don't have any files of the evidence in my hands, nor any details.
Q. On direct examination a question was put to you concerning Case-A. That is, the condition existing in the event of the advancing occupied armies threat to the concentration camps. It stated that in such a case the Higher -SS and Police Leaders took the entire control of the concentration camps from all the other authorities. Did you not?
A In the order which I read, it said that in Case "A", the concentration camps were under the orders of the higher SS, and Police Leaders. I did not know any further details, and as it meant when enemy troops approached. Originally I was of the opinion that "A" meant the case of war, but apparently that was not meant by it.
Q Are you of the opinion that the higher SS and Police Leaders took over entirely, or were the responsible only for the security measures concerned? Isn't it quite possible that the WVHA remained in charge of internal administration of these camps?
A Well, I can not testify to that effect. I did not know it. I interpreted the order that when the enemies were close to the concentration camp, the higher SS and Police Leader had the entire authority over the camp. How the order was meant and whether it was to be interpreted in another manner, I do not know.
Q Can you tell us how it was carried out?
A No.
Q You don't know that upon the approach of the Allied Armies, the commanders continued to go to the defendant Pohl and Gluecks with their problems?
A No, I don't know that.
MR. HIGGINS: That is all the questions.
BY JUDGE PHILLIPS:
Q Witness, are you in custody now?
A Yes. At the present time I am in custody in the jail of Nurnberg.
Q How long have you been in custody?
A I have been in custody in Nurnberg since 14 January, and the entire custody dates from 8 May 1945.
Q Are you under indictment or any charge at this time?
A No.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. SEIDL:
Q Witness, in the affidavit of Dr. Morgen, it is asserted that you, in your capacity of court officer of the WVHA, made certain troubles for him, allegedly made certain troubles for him in investigations on Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl's order. I am asking you did the defendant Pohl at any time give you an order to intervene in the investigations of Dr. Morgen with the aim possibly to hamper these investigations?
A No, that was not the case. On the contrary, he told me not to get mixed up in the matters Dr. Morgen was investigating, particularly due to the personal relationship that existed between him and Dr. Morgen.
Q Did you, by yourself, take any steps which could have resulted as Dr. Morgen said in his affidavit?
A No, I never tried anything against him.
Q Were you of the impression that Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl liked it when the Hauptamt SS-Court formed a commission in order to uncover corruption cases of great style from a certain point.
A Yes, that was the case, all right, and the relationship between Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl and the chief of this commission, Morgen, was very good at first. Morgen, as far as I can recall, was always supported by Pohl. I was never asked. When Morgen came to see us, he went to see Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl directly, and the two then discussed the measures that they were to take. Once in a while I took care of formalities by giving Morgen papers or documents, etc., personnel files, and what have you, but apart from that I did not interfere in his activity.
Q You testified just that the relationship also became worse, amongst other things, because Dr. Morgen did not give any reports to Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl about the result of his investigations. The defendant Pohl now asserts that he had something to say about Dr. Morgen's activity as he carried out large investigations, that he had not had to many results of this entire matter.
Did you ever hear any statements made by the defendant Pohl to you which confirmed that statement?
A Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl did not think very much of Dr. Morgen's ability and the way he worked. I myself am of the opinion that although in the case of Sauerzweig he did a good job, and on the basis of that particular ability of his he was called upon to work on larger projects. That is my personal opinion now, that he could not possibly be up to taking care of this matter. According to my opinion, he was not up to the Koch trial either.
Q A few minutes ago you said that you participated in the first or main trial against the commandant of Buchenwald. What was your impression with reference to the preparation of this trial by Dr. Morgen?
A During the main trial, I was of the impression--and not only I had that impression but also all the listeners, and they were all the representatives of almost all the main offices-- We were of the opinion that that trial had been prepared in a very bad manner. In the main proceedings there were certain questions that arose and which no one had anticipated. For instance, the defendant Koch, with reference to the killing of inmates, referred to the point that he had received an order to kill certain inmates and that that was by the Reichsfuehrer. The Reichsfuehrer, however, was never asked if that was correct. That is where the main trial broke up, and they had to go into recess; they had to adjourn, because they wanted to break up Koch's suggestion that he had acted upon orders. The President of the Tribunal, Herr Haendel, told the jury to recess, but unfortunately he did not know the files because Herr Morgen had given him the documents which consisted of tens, if not twenties, of documents, and therefore the main proceedings could not be carried out any further. Thereupon, the main trial was adjourned.
I personally told that to Dr. Morgen in a manner that he did not misunderstand in front of all the other comrades.
His statements, which are aimed at me particularly, are to be based upon the fact that he in the meantime somehow became an enemy of mine, and I assume that he believes that I was the instigator of the bad personal relationship which he had with Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl.
Q Did Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl, however, prior to, during, or after the trial, make an attempt to protect Koch and to save him from trial? At least Koch was shot later on.
A No; on the contrary, Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl, when Koch's guilt was established, tried with his entire power to have the sentence carried out or executed as soon as possible.
Q That actually happened?
A The sentence was carried out shortly before the capitulation on orders of the Reichsfuehrer.
Q It says in the affidavit a little further down -- and I quote:
"Because of Pohl's activity there was also an order released in August 1944 whereby SS judges would have no access to concentration camps without the special permission of Pohl."
Now, I ask you, witness, did you ever hear any such order by Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl?
A No, such an order is unknown to me, and I do not know that such an order ever existed. If such an order had been issued, I am sure that Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl would have informed me as his legal officer and liaison officer to the court.
DR. SAID: That is all. No further questions.
BY DR. HOFFMANN: Attorney for defendant Scheide.)
Q Witness, where did you have your office in Berlin?
A My office in Berlin was in Unter den Eichen.
Q How large was that building?
A Well, that was quite a large block. It had three court yards approximately. I could not tell you how large it was actually. It was quite a building, and it had been damaged by bombs.
Q How many rooms were there in that building?
A I can not tell you, but very many.
Q How many according to your guess?
A Well, I would say approximately 1,000 rooms possibly evern more.
Q How long did it take to walk from the office of the defendant Pohl up to the room of the defendant Scheide, my client?
Court No. II, Case No. 4.
A Well, there was a big sign near the entrance which said so and so many steps up to Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl. That is where Scheide's room was. I don't exactly remember the figure, but the number of steps were precisely given. Certainly 100 meters airline. I believe it said 98 steps up to Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl's office.
Q In other words, Witness, it was not really thus that all the defendants were together locally that they could go from one room to the other?
A No.
DR. HOFFMAN: No further questions.
THE PRESIDENT: The next witness.
(Witness excused.)
DR. SEIDL (For Defendant Oswald Pohl) I would appreciate it if Karl Wolff, Obergruppenfuehrer, General of the Waffen-SS, be brought in.
KARL WOLFF, a witness, took the stand and testified as follows:
JUDGE MUSSMANO: Please raise your right hand and repeat after me:
I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing.
(The witness repeated the oath.)
JUDGE MUSSMANO: You may now be seated.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. SEIDL:
Q Witness, will you give this Tribunal your full name?
A My name is Karl Wolff. My last name, Wolff, is spelled with double "f".
Q When and where were you born?
A I was born on the 13th of May, 1900, in Darmstadt.
Q What position did you have in the Waffen-SS, and what was your last rank you achieved, what were your positions in the entire SS, Court No. II, Case No. 4.including the Allgemeine and the Waffen-SS?
A In October, 1931, I joined the Allgemeine SS, that is the first SS Standarte in Munich, and that was in an unpaid position as an honorary member. When we took over the power in Bavaria I was assigned as adjutant to General Ritter von Epp, who was Bavarian prime minister and Reichsstatthalter at that time. In May, 1933, the then Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, called me as an adjutant in a full time position. That is, in other words, I became reactivated, because already during the First World War I had been an active professional officer. From 1933 to '36 I was being assigned as adjutant and chief adjutant to the Reichsfuehrer-SS. From 1936 to 1939, in other words, up until the beginning of the war, I became the chief of his personal staff, and at the outbreak of the war I was assigned to the Fuehrer Adolf Hitler as liaison officer for the Waffen-SS in his headquarters, where I was active until the 18th of February, 1943. Then I became sick, and that prevailed for approximately six months, and on the 9th of September, 1943, as Higher SS and Police Leader, I was sent to Italy. I kept that function until the end of the war, that is May, 1945. In addition to that I was assigned to the ex-Duce Mussolini by the Fuehrer as a special expert for police matters.
From the 26th of July, 1944, and until the end of the war I received the additional function of the military commander of Italy with the title Plenipotentiary General for the Armed Forces in Italy.
A week prior to the beginning of the French campaign I was appointed first general, with the rank of a lieutenant general of the Waffen-SS. Is that sufficient?
Q Yes. Witness, how long have you known the late Obergruppenfuehrer Oswald Pohl, who is a defendant in this trial, and under what circumstances was he transferred from the navy into the SS? How did the whole thing occur, how did it develop?
A I have known Oswald Pohl since January, 1934, personally. The Reichsfuehrer-SS in 1933 had made the acquaintance of Oswald Pohl, Court No. II, Case No. 4.and on account of the excellent recommendations by his naval superiors of that time he wanted to have him in the SS as administrative chief.
Pohl at the time had an esteemed position, in other words, a secure position for his life with the navy which entitled him to a pension, whereas the SS in January, 1934, was a rather young organization, or shall we say unit, which did not offer any material security, or any financial possibilities of development. The Reichsfuehrer-SS in January, 1934, told me, or rather ordered me to get Pohl to Berlin for a conference and to have preliminary discussions with Pohl prior to his conference with respect to the possibilities of development and also to explain to him the task which he was to perform in the SS.
I recall exactly that Pohl at the beginning did not feel like accepting the Reichsfuehrer's SS offer. However, after I had told him the task which he was supposed to carry out in the development of the special task group of the SS, that is the predecessor of the WaffenSS, and after I had told him what the ideal aims would be to serve by joining the SS, he finally agreed. I also recall that at the time he joined with the rank of SS-Standartenfuehrer, which was not too high, with the monthly pay of 600 marks. According to the rate at the time it was approximately a little bit more than $150.00, in other words, not an amount which would force a man to join a criminal organization and to support it in every way. I myself had taken the same chance nine months ago, and that for 450 marks a month with a rank of Hauptsturmfuehrer, in other words, something over $100.00.
Q Witness, you testified that Pohl, in January, 1934, had joined the SS, that is he was transferred from the navy. That was before the Roehm putch which took place in June 1934?
A Yes.
Q Did the SS at the time already play an important part in the Third Reich, particularly compared with the SA, which at the time was still very influential?
A No. The SS, ever since the beginning, was nothing but a Court No. II, Case No. 4.selected minority which had been well trained, which amounted to approximately ten percent of the entire strength of the SA, and never exceeded that ten percent margin, according to my opinion.
The Reichsfuehrer-SS, Heinrich Himmler, in January, 1934, was personally subordinate to the Chief of the SA at the time, Roehm.
Q Witness, the Defendant Oswald Pohl and sixteen of his other co-defendants, are charged in Count IV of the indictment of having been members of a criminal organization, namely the SS. In view of the fact that you have known the Defendant Oswald Pohl since 1934, and apparently know his entire career within the SS, I would like to ask you now, Witness, which were the tasks and aims of the SS and in what way the Defendant Oswald Pohl at the various times was active in the SS?
A. The SS, ever since the beginning, has supposed to be an elite unit, and that not only according to the appearance but also according to their attitude, their character, and also according to its achievements. The SS was to be some sort of a guard, as they were entertained by Kings, at all times both in Germany and in other countries, and who were in charge of the security of the leading personalities of the respective countries. In excess of that, the tasks developed later on: protection of the Reich from the inside, seizure and training of this elite and excellent German material. As far as these people were not already in the Wehrmacht, and unless, of course, they were prevented from joining due to certain party regulations. These people were to become some part of a group of leadership of purest end the best kind. No other motives but these decent, honest, motives, in which we firmly believed, would have induced us to join the SS. Especially not as a main profession, because we all hadour incomes and we really did not need to become professional criminals.
Q. Witness, the Reichsfuehrung SS had been separated, divided with 12 main offices under the Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler. At any rate, ever since the beginning of the war. I ask you now, witness, amongst those twelve main offices was there any close connection, and what were the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler's principles when he issued orders?
A. These twelve main offices, developed only in the course of years. They were vertically distinctly separated from each other. No Main Office chief of one office could possibly give orders within the district of the other one. It was also a peculiarity of the Reichsfuehrer SS, to have individual conferences with each chief of the main offices. In other words, not all the Main Office Chiefs were called together in one conference and none was permitted to report on his own activity in the presence of all the others, and to have them report in the presence of all others. At the time, we believed that due to the last number of tasks which were to be dealt with at the time, the Reichsfuehrer wanted to divide and rule and did not want to take up the time of all these Main Office chiefs by having them participate in conferences with which the others had nothing to do.
Matters which the other Main offices had nothing to do, and in the course of the war. Approximately since the middle of the war. And due to the increase in difficulties, the conviction occurred that there was a specific aim behind it all; namely to divide and to dominate by this dividing. In other words, everyone should know only what they were supposed to know for his task, and thus not entrusting anybody quite unmistakably as a deputy Reichsfuehrer or sort of State secretary for the entire fields of competencies of the Reichsfuehrer.
Q. Witness, the defendant Oswald Pohl in his Direct Examination testified to the effect that at no time common conferences were held between the chiefs of the Main Offices, and that neither in Himmler's presence nor in his absence. Is that suggestion correct?
A. Generally speaking, yes. However, there might have been one or two exceptions where out of the twelve main chiefs, perhaps two or at most three of them might have been together. Otherwise, as I already stated before conferences of the Main Office chiefs did not take place, at least not according to my knowledge.
Q. And did all these Main Office chiefs, that is, all twelve of them, come together? That never occurred according to Oswald Pohl, did it?
A. Conferences --- never did occur. It was only that once or twice a year all the Gruppen and Obergruppenguehrer of the SS met for some sort of a meeting. Those were not Main Office chiefs meetings but only on representative occasions. For instance, on the Party day, the day of the 9th of November; the day of the establishment of the Party, in February. In other words, all those general meetings. But they were not connected with official conferences.
Q. What were the tasks of the WVHA, generally speaking, in the main part? What were their connections to the concentration camps before March 1942? Can you tell us something about that?
A. The tasks of the WVHA, was the highest level of administrative, authority for the Allgemeine SS, and for the Waffen SS. The WVHA dealt with all the questions of the State, the Economy, of the Army economy, and all the construction questions, except, according to my knowledge, the two main offices, security police and order police who had their own central offices of administration which carried out the same functions, as, for instance, the WVHA compared with the remainder of the SS. Apart from that, the WVHA, there were also the socalled Economic Enterprises which had to be taken care of and led. The tasks were only of an administrative nature.
Q. Did the WVHA have the opportunity to take any kind of executive measures, particularly such measures of a police and State police nature, and did they have the necessary agents for that?
A. According to my opinion the WVHA had no legal and police possibilities to carry out executive measures, nor did they have any police agents at their disposal, because their tasks were simply administrative ones, such of administrative character.
Q. Which Main offices were the only ones that had those agents? Was it the RSHA?
A. Yes, it was the RSHA.
Q. A part of the RSHA was the Gestapo, was it not?
A. Yes.
Q. And the General Police?
A. Yes.
Q. Is it correct if I say that the RSHA only was in a position, out of State Police reasons, to send persons to concentration camps?
A. Yes, that statement is correct.
MR. ROBBINS: May it please the Tribunal, I object to Dr. Seidl putting leading questions to this witness. I think that this witness is one of the few people who is completely informed on practically every matter of the SS. He is a witness who can speak with a good deal of authority on details of the SS and there is no need whatever for Dr. Seidl to suggest answers. The witness is perfectly competent to give us his own description of the organization.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Seidl, it is quite proper to suggest the subject you wish the witness to answer about, but not to suggest the answer. I think you know the difference. Will you please watch it carefully?
DR. SEIDL: The objection made by the Prosecution is correct itself, and I simply asked this kind of question in order to shorten the matter.
THE PRESIDENT: Don't shorten the matter by telling the witness what to say.
MR. ROBBINS: Exactly, Your Honor. I would like to say for the record, when it comes to a matter like this, time can well be spent in letting the witness explain the answer himself.
Q Witness, which was the office that had to decide about the release from the concentration camps?
A The decision of an application for release from a concentration camp was the Reichssicherheitshaptamt, that is the Reichs security Main Office was competent.
Q Was the WVHA, that is to say, the defendant Pohl, by himself without the approval of the RSHA able to release a prisoner from the camp?
A No.
Q Which was the agency which was the highest organization, according Himmlers order at 3 March 1943, particularly for the concentration camps and who was in charge of that agency?
A The highest organizational level was the Inspectorate of the concentration camps which until the outbreak of the war in 1939 was lead first by Eicke and then by Gluecks.
Q Where was the Inspectorate of the Concentration Camps, I mean, what town?
A The Inspectorate of the Concentration Camps was in Oranienburg.
Q On Himmler's order of the 3d of March, 1943, the Inspectorate of the Concentration Camp was incorporated into the WVHA as Amtsgruppe D. I ask you now, witness, what were the reasons that compelled the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler to carry out this reorganization?
A During the Russian campaign the dream of the German BlitzWars and Blitz victories had become nothing but mere dust. The concentration of all the labor which was available in Germany had become necessary in order now to be able to seize the inmates who were in the concentration camps and to put them to a good use. The Reichsfuehrer SS assigned Oswald Pohl the entire assignment of these inmates for labor and also economic questions connected with that duty as a basis of a resolve. The Reichsfuehrer in expectation of those ministerial difficulties he wanted to give as high as possible a representative for these ministerial sections, in other words, a Main Office Chief according to his rank and according to his troop origin, in other words military origin. Gluecks did not appear quite sufficient to him, for this reasons.
THE PRESIDENT: Recess
THE MARSHALL: Tribunal is in recess for 15 minutes.
(A recess was taken.)
THE MARSHAL: The Tribunal is again is session.
BY DR. SEIDL:
Q. Witness, before the recess we had been talking about and I had asked you the question, what reasons caused the Reichsfuehrer-SS to have ordered on 3 March 1943 the incorporation of the Inspectorate of the concentration camps into the WVHA as Amtsgruppe D. I ask you to continue to answer this question?
A. I believe I thought I had already answered the question to its fullest extent. Apparently the reason was we tried to find out for the Administry itself who was to be Chief of the Main Office, and what economic knowledge he was supposed to have. These extensive prerequisites did not fulfill the requisites of Gluecks.
Q. Did this organizational incorporation of the Inspectorate of the concentration camp into the WVHA have its results, to the extent that Pohl as Chief of WVHA was to have the responsibility in all matters pertaining to the concentration camps?
A. No.
MR. ROBBINS: I think it is extremely important, Your Honor, in this case and on this ground alone that Dr. Seidl ask the witness to explain his answer to a question, and have Dr. Seidl not to suggest the answers to the witness. I can not emphasize the importance too much in this case of applying that rule to this witness, because as I have said before, if we are to get a true picture from this witness, which he can give us, I think that Dr. Seidl should not continue to lead the witness.
DR. SEIDL: Your Honor, I previously admitted that I have asked the witness leading questions in the interest of speeding up this trial. But I can not see in which way this question is a leading question.