Q One other question. Is it known to you that on the Balkans the relationship between the German Armed Forces and the Jews was such that a number of officers were quartered with Jews?
A I did not hear anything specific about this.
Q You don't know?
A It may be so but I know nothing for certain. What I would like to say, however, is that in Athens where I myself lived there were very few Jew indeed.
Q And in Salonika?
A In Salonika, as is well known, there was a large Jewish settlement; where the military were billeted I couldn't tell you. I never heard anything about it; therefore, I can make no statements.
Q Do you know from the time, period 1941-42, whether these many Jew in Saloniki whom you mentioned just now continued to live in their own houses as they had done before?
A Certainly.
Q As citizens?
A Yes, certainly.
Q Or were they driven from their homes?
A No, no, certainly not. During those days there was no unrest anywhere. I am quite certain if any such thing had taken place, I would have been told about it and I would have been asked to do something about it. This, however, did not happen.
Q And now to my last question, in conclusion. Just before you mentioned that, when you brought your requests of the civilian population to the Armed Forces, you found help there. Can you confirm that this also applied to the time when General Kuntze was Armed Forces Commander Southeast?
A Yes, I can confirm that.
Q That would be the period end of 1943?
A Yes, it took place during that time too. Absolutely.
Q I thank you. I have no further questions.
PRESIDING JUDGE CARTER: Any further questions by the Defense? You may cross-examine.
CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. FENSTERMACHER:
Q Dr. Altenburg, you were the foreign minister of the German Foreign Office in Athens from April 1941 until January 1943?
A Yes.
Q You had a good many discussions, did you not, with various German military commanders in Greece during that period regarding the subject of reprisal measures?
A Could you specify that question, please?
Q Did you have discussions with various German military leaders in Greece during the period, during which you were Foreign Office Representative, regarding the taking of reprisal measures against the Greek population for various sabotage attacks or attacks upon German soldiers stationed in Greece?
A Yes, in June 1942, with General Andrae.
Q With whom else did you speak on that subject?
AAlways then when my attention was called by the Greek population to reprisal measures. In most instances, I did not restrict myself to the individual cases of such reprisal measures but I even intervened in the case of verdicts of court martials, yes particularly in the case of verdicts by court martials, when the families of the convicted men or the Greek government intervened. I took up contact with German military authorities in such cases.
Q Did you ever talk to Fieldmarshal List, General Kuntze, General Felmy, and General Speidel on that subject?
A I believe at times, as for instance in the case of hostage shootings which afterwards were not carried out in June 1942, when I happened to be in Sofia and when allegedly the hostage shootings had been ordered for the next day, I sent a telegram to General Kuntze and asked him to intervene and to see to it that nothing happened until on the next day I would be back in Athens.
Then I broke off my leave and on the next morning flew back to Athens where I talked to General Andrae who saw to it that the shootings were not carried out. Therefore, in that particular instance, General Kuntze showed some action.
Q Now, Dr. Altenburg, the question of reprisal measures and the shooting of hostages was a very important one for you as the political representative of the Reich in Greece, was it not? It was important because you wanted to make the occupation a political success?
A That was just it. In the preliminary examinations, I stated that the difficulty of my situation was that I had an order from Ribbentrop which forbade me to interfere in reprisal measures ordered and carried out by military agencies which had been deemed necessary for the maintenance of law and order. Independent of what I did in Berlin to counteract this order, also on the soot, as soon as I learned of those instances, where I gave you as an example this case of June 1942, I approached the military agencies. I don't know whether the military agencies knew of the order which I had from Ribbentrop. All I can say is, however, that the Andrae case in June 1942 showed that my representations accompanied by steps taken by the Metropolitan by the Greek Prime Minister, General Zolacoglou and by my Italian colleague, had the result that the action was not carried out as intended.
Q What was your attitude towards reprisal measures? Were you in favor of them?
A No, by no means. I believe this question is superfluous because in actual fact my attitude in this question was well known.
Q Did you ever talk to General Speidel about reprisal measures?
A Yes, I did too.
Q Did you ever succeed in persuading General Speidel to revoke orders previously issued for the execution of hostages?
A There was one case about which I testified during my preliminary examination where on the basis of an information saying that the next day hostages were to be shot, I wanted to contact General Speidel and learned that he was absent from Athens.
I talked instead to an officer of his staff who informed me that there was no need for excitement and that things were not ready for action yet and the General was not present. He said there was no danger at the moment.
I asked that before the final decision was made in the case in question, I was allowed to contact the agency again and the officer concerned told me that I could do this. The next morning, however, I learned that the shooting was carried out just the same. How that happened I was in no position to clear up. The General was still away from Athens--I mean General Speidel, and during his absence, since the officer with whom I had talked the previous day had since left for leave, I talked to one of his ADC's. I asked the gentleman concerned how such a thing could have happened.
He said he didn't know and I said that I had been promised that I would be able to confer again before anything happened. Altogether, I was unable to clear the matter up. I want to state that in another case which occurred later, General Speidel showed understanding and met me half way and on representations by the Greeks and my own representations he refrained from carrying out a reprisal measure. In this one case which was not clear, and where he was absent from Athens, we have to check up and find out how it happened that I was not given an opportunity to confer again and how it happened that I could be told on the previous day "Don't be excited. Things are not about to happen," yet and then on the next morning I learned that they have already happened. I have never been able to understand that.
Q General Speidel had the power to revoke orders for the execution of hostages, did he?
A Whether he for his person had to consult with other agencies, I don't know. In this particular case, he was the one I contacted and he was the one who informed me that the action had been stopped. Also, where one court martial was concerned, I was informed by him that the men had been pardoned on whose behalf I had contacted him.
Q In other words, when you wanted hostage executions called off, you went to see General Speidel?
A Yes.
Q Now, Dr. Altenburg, what was your opinion regarding the taking of reprisal measures and the shooting of hostages at ratios of one to ten or one to fifty or one to seventy-five? Did you think that would increase your own problem from a political standpoint?
A That was the very reason why I saw myself forced to take up contact with the military agencies in these questions. That is also the reason why I always objected to this order of Ribbentrop that I should not be able to take up contact with military agencies. I realized, of course, that such measures would bring unrest among the civilian population.
Q. You felt that orders for the execution of hostages in a fixed ratio were criminal orders, did you not?
A. Yes. May I say...
DR. LATERNSER: I object. I object to this question. Mr. Fenstermacher is asking the witness whether these were criminal orders. That is a legal question which can only be decided by the Tribunal not by this witness.
MR. FENSTERMACHER: If your Honor please, I don't see how we can evaluate the character reference which the defendant has given for List, Kuntze, and Felmy unless we know his attitude towards these various reprisal measures.
PRESIDING JUDGE CARTER: Objection will be sustained.
BY MR. FENSTERMACHER:
Q. Do you know, Dr. Altenburg, to whom Schimana was subordinate?
A. Schimana, to the best of my knowledge, for tactical purposes, was subordinated to the Military Commander. However, he received, again to the best of my knowledge, certain direct instructions in police matters from the Reichsfuehrer SS.
Q. Do you recall writing a statement on the 9th of April, 1947, regarding your activities in Greece?
A. Yes. Yes, I do.
Q. Would you look at this statement and tell me whether this is the one which you wrote at that time?
DR. MUELLER-TORGOW: If it please the Tribunal, I object to this document being submitted. It was not subject of direct examination and can therefore not be submitted now under cross-examination.
MR. FENSTERMACHER: It is laying a foundation, if your Honor please. Rather, I have already laid the foundation.
THE PRESIDENT: The foundation for impeachment?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: Yes, if your Honor please.
PRESIDING JUDGE CARTER: The objection will be overruled at this time.
BY MR. FENSTERMACHER:
Q. Dr. Altenburg, is that statement written in your own hand?
A. Yes, it was.
Q. Would you look at the bottom of page five? Did you write there these words?
DR. LATERNSER: I object. I cannot follow the proceedings because I haven't got a copy of this examination but I am very interested in following these proceedings. I am objecting to this question being asked as long as I have not got a copy of the record.
PRESIDING JUDGE CARTER: The Tribunal is hardly in a position to rule until it know what the statement is. I believe it would be better if you wait until after the statement is read and then make your motion if one is proper, Dr. Laternser.
BY MR. FENSTERMACHER:
Q. Did you write these words, Dr. Altenburg?
A. Well, I want to know which words you mean?
Q. That is what I am coming to. "After the Italian collapse shortly before my formal departure, the German military administration was established throughout the whole of Greece. General Speidel who up till then..."
A. Just a moment, please. Is that supposed to be my page five or your page five?
Q. I believe it is on your page five. "After the Italian collapse shortly before my formal departure, the German military administration was established throughout the whole of Greece and General Speidel who up till then had been Military Commander South was appointed Military Commander.
The Supreme SS and Police Chief assisted him. Later, after a few weeks, Schimana was subordinate to him?"
A. Yes, that is what I said. I said "subordinated in tactical respects."
Q. You didn't add the words "in a tactical respect" at that time, Dr. Altenburg. Will you tell us why?
A. Because that is a technical term.
Q. Did General Speidel have power to order Schimana not to take reprisal measures?
A. Could you ask this question again please? Could you please repeat the question?
(The interpreter repeated the question.)
A. The question of competency in this instance is not quite clear to me.
Q. You were in Athens from April 1941 until November 1943 in a very important political post. At the same time in Athens were General Speidel, General Felmy, and General Schimana. You must know who was competent to order reprisal measures in case of attacks on German troops who were stationed in Athens, in case of sabotage of German installations, or railroad lines or communication lines?
A. Well, I think I am the best person to know what I had to know at the time and what I didn't have to know, and I am making statements here to the best of my conscience and knowledge. That is my duty as a witness. General Schimana came down there at the time when I was about to leave. He visited me on the very day or rather just a moment--when I went there to say goodbye, that was towards the end of October, so that this whole relation was never quite clear to me and in view of the fact that I was leaving I did not have to know much about them. During my preliminary examination, I told Mr. Rapp to ask Envoy Neubacher who was there much longer than I was and I said that he would be in a position to really give some clear statements about the facts.
I don't know whether this answer is sufficient.
Q. You don't know who ordered reprisal measures to be taken in Athens in retaliation for attacks upon German troops during the period April 1941-November 1943?
A. I am giving you here this one incident which I mention as an example and then there was one other case. Those are the two instances where I conferred with General Speidel and also I consulted with General Speidel because of the cancelling of one or two death sentences pronounced by court martials and there again he met me half way.
Q. Would you please answer my question, Dr. Altenburg? Do you know who was competent to order reprisal measures in Athens during the period within which you were in Athens?
A. The Military Commander Southern Greece and later on the Military Commander.
Q. And who were those individuals at the time when you were in Athens?
A. They were first of all General Felmy and then General Speidel.
Q. Do you recall any reprisal measures taken during April 1941 and November 1943 other than those which you have already mentioned?
A. May I have a look at this statement or is that not allowed?
Q. Please, do.
DR. MUELLER-TORGOW (Defense Counsel for defendant Felmy): Your Honor, I am objecting on principle to this questioning because it has nothing to do with what I asked on direct examination. These questions cannot be made the subject of cross examination.
JUDGE CARTER: The objection will be sustained.
MR. FENSTERMACHER: Your Honor, I would just like to ask permission of the Tribunal to make this witness my own for a limited number of questions in this regard.
DEFENSE COUNSEL: I object. This man is my witness.
THE PRESIDENT: The whole thing has a rather peculiar aspect. Is this man under indictment?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: I don't believe, he is, Your Honor.
THE PRESIDENT: And he has been detained here since April of 1947?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: I believe that was because he was in an automatic arrest category, Your Honor.
JUDGE BURKE: What is an automatic arrest category?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: As I understand it, Military Government has sot up certain categories - for example, membership in the SD and such other organizations that were found to be criminal organizations by the International Military Tribunal.
JUDGE BURKE: The question of his reliability and his credibility may be a matter of some importance to the Tribunal. Obviously - at least, as one member of the Tribunal, I should like to know whether the man is guilty of any offense, whether he has a criminal record, whether he is under any indictment or whether he is simply being detained.
THE INTERPRETER: Your Honor, the witness said he is no longer in an automatic arrest category.
MR. FENSTERMACHER: The witness testified, Your Honor, that he is detained here -
JUDGE BURKE: He has made reference to his preliminary examination. What is he talking about?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: He was brought here as a witness, if Your Honor please, by the Prosecution in this case to see what light he could throw on the problems for which these defendants were later indicted.
JUDGE BURKE: And he has been here ten months awaiting the pleasure of some one?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: No. If Your Honor please, he was brought here and I believe interrogated, perhaps for a week or two, by the Prosecution?
JUDGE BURKE: Did it take that long to secure what information he appears to have now?
MR. FENSTERMACHER: Perhaps, if Your Honor please, Mr. Rapp could answer some of these questions better than I. He did some of the interrogating.
MR. RAPP: If your Honors please, I do not pretend to go beyond that what Mr. Fenstermacher already said, but I could possibly straighten out some of the points.
A man of this witness's background, as a representative of the foreign office, was put on the target list of automatic arrest categories under the Four Power Control Directorate in Ordinance #1.
THE PRESIDENT: Now, let me interrupt. By whom?
MR. RAPP: By President Roosevelt, Marshal Stalin, Prime Minister Churchill and, I presume, a representative of the French Government.
THE PRESIDENT: Evidently, it's very evident that they had nothing to do with this man's detention.
Now, who then made the order?
MR. RAPP: The aforementioned gentlemen, Your Honor, drew up a law which has been published and is law in all four zones of Germany and this law is to be carried out or complied with by the respective Military Governors. At that time, General Eisenhower and now, General Clay.
THE PRESIDENT: What law do you mean by that? London Charter?
MR. RAPP: The London Charter as well as the Potsdam Declaration. The Potsdam Declaration, in this particular case, would be more important.
JUDGE BURKE: I may interrupt you to say, Mr. Rapp, that I have at least a limited knowledge of the laws you referred to. But that's not the question before us here. It's a more practical question. My. Roosevelt died in 1945. Mr.Churchill is no longer Prime Minister. The question were interested in is who gave the order for his arrest in April of 1947? Strangely enough, coinciding within a couple of months with the date of his affidavits on behalf of some of those defendants.
MR. RAPP: The Office, Chief of Counsel for War Crimes, in the name of the Military Governor of the American Zone. At the time, the witness was released in 1946 there was no further evidence warranting further detention of this witness. In screening further documents we came across a rather large amount of what we believed to be incriminating evidence, and...
TEE PRESIDENT: When was that discovered?
MR. RAPP: In April, 1947.
THE PRESIDENT: Has he since been charged with any crime?
MR. RAPP: He has not been charged with any crime, but he was here to determine whether or not, in the pre-trial interrogations, he could be indicted under the present case, the Ministries Case # 11.
THE PRESIDENT: And when was that indictment returned?
MR. RAPP: That indictment was returned, I believe, Your Honors, less than one month ago. Possibly, three weeks ago.
THE PRESIDENT: When was it determined as to who should be indicted in that trial?
MR. RAPP: Your Honor, approximately the last defendant was decided one week prior to this indictment. There were two additional indictments filed, as annexes to this particular indictment, two days after the indictment had been lodged with the Secretary General's office.
Now, this witness at the present time is being held here solely and exclusively for the convenience of Dr. MuellerTorgow, who wanted to ask him to appear as his witness for the defendant Felmy. If the witness Altenburg would not be in the Jail in Nuernberg, he would .......
DR. MUELLER-Torgow: If it please the Tribunal, that is something entirely new to me. I have only asked for an affidavit from Dr. Altenburg. I asked him to execute that some time ago and that's all. Dr. Altenburg, I would like to mention in this connection, had asked me to be his defense counsel in case he was indicted in the Ministries Trial. A few days ago, I went to see Dr. Kempner and asked him whether now, since Dr. Altenburg was not indicted, he could be dismissed from Jail and discharged and I was told that this was not possible, but I could not find out why it was not possible. In any case, I want to make quite clear, that Dr. Altenburg is not being detained here because or because I want that.
On the contrary.
MR. RAPP: Your Honor, I don't know what Dr. Kempner told Mueller-Torgow, but the mere fact that this witness has appeared as a witness for the defense and not as a witness for the Prosecution, I think is the best evidence to the fact that he would not have been here in the Nuernberg Jail and that we could possibly have released him.
JUDGE BURKE: In other words, his availability as a witness on one side or the other - we won't attempt to determine that - also made him available as a candidate for a place down in the Jail?
MR. RAPP: Your Honor, I don't quite follow Your Honor's comment, but that is the only place we are able to keep these ....
JUDGE BURKE: Where was he between 1942 - between the end of his service and 1947?
MR. RAPP: He has been, if I am correct, in Nuernberg, in the German civilian internment enclosure in Ludwigsburg, in various other enclosures. I have forgotten their names. Probably the witness would be able to answer this question.
JUDGE BURKE: We can eliminate all that. Was he within the American Zone of Occupation?
MR. RAPP: That's correct.
JUDGE BURKE: Would it have been too difficult a task to summon him from there the same as other witnesses have been called?
MR. RAPP: If he had been at liberty, it would have been no difficulty at all.
DR. MUELLER-TORGOW: If I may interrupt here, he was in Munich.
THE PRESIDENT: As far as I am concerned, I have gained sufficient knowledge which at least hasn't made a favorable impression on me.
MR. RAPP: Does your Honor wish any additional comment or won't that be necessary at this time?
THE PRESIDENT: You mean from me or from you?
MR. RAPP: From me.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, we could go on indeterminately, I suppose. I don't wish to restrict you. My sense of legal procedure and the rights of individuals - and I don't know who's to blame - have been somewhat disturbed. It just doesn't appeal to me as being proper judicial procedure. Now, perhaps there's some occasion for it and some justification, but, as a member of the Judiciary, the thing doesn't have that sense of propriety that I like to see in a judicial proceedings. Now, who's to blame I don't know.
MR. RAPP: Is Your Honor referring now to the judiciary procedure we are used to in the United States or in the Occupation Zone of Germany?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I know nothing about the judicial proceedings here in the Occupation Zone.
DR. MUELLER-TORGOW: If Your Honor please, Mr. Rapp has stated just before that Dr. Altenburg was detained here because he was needed as a witness in the Felmy evidence. Since that is not the case, I move that Dr. Altenburg be discharged from the Jail immediately. At least, that the necessary steps be taken in this direction.
MR. RAPP: Your Honor, as an afterthought, this witness has also been listed by the Greek Government with the United Nations War Crimes Commission as a war criminal and the Greek Government, as we have been informed less than ten days ago, after we told them that we would not try him, is now asking for his extradition to Greece.
Merely on that basis, as far as the occupation authorities are concerned - and I am not speaking for them - I don't believe they would let the man go at this time.
JUDGE CARTER: Of course, this Tribunal has no authority to release some one from the Jail who is not under indictment before this Tribunal. I might say, Dr. Mueller-Torgow, we accept your statement that you made in the record that he is not being held on any demand of yours.
As to the proceedings to follow we will simply have nothing to do with it.
In regard to the application of the prosecution to call this witness as their own. We see no need for doing that now. He may be called by them on rebuttal when the rest of the rebuttal evidence comes in. So the application is overruled at this time for the reason that it is premature.
I think probably this is a good time to cease for the day. We will recess until 9:30 tomorrow.
(A recess was taken until 0930 hours, 9 December 1947).
Official Transcript of the American Military Tribunal in the matter of the United States of America against Wilhelm List, et al, defendants, sitting at Nurnberg, Germany, on 9 December 1947, 0930, Justice Wennerstrum presiding.
THE MARSHAL: Persons in the courtroom will please find their seats.
The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal V. Military Tribunal V is now in session. God save the United States of America and this honorable Tribunal. There will be order in the courtroom.
THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Marshal, will you ascertain if all the defendants are present in the courtroom?
THE MARSHAL: May it please your Honor, all the defendants are present in the courtroom with the exception of defendant von Weichs who is in the hospital.
THE PRESIDENT: You may continue, Mr, Fenstermacher with any further questions in the cross examination.
MR. FENSTERMACHER: Thank you, your Honor.
GUENTHER ALTENBURG - Resumed CROSS EXAMINATION (Continued) BY MR. FENSTERMACHER:
Q Dr. Altenburg, you spike yesterday about an order which you received from Ribbentrop telling you not to interfere with reprisal measures taken by the military authorities in Greece. Did that have any influence on your desire to be recalled from your duty in Greece?
A In January 1943 in view of the fact that after the occupation of North Africa by the Americans, or rather through the American landing in North Africa, the situation would be expected to become more acute I applied to be transferred and this application went to Berlin.
Q When you said the situation would become more acute, what do you mean?
A It was to be expected that through the landing in north Africa by the Americans, or rather through the American landing in North Africa, the situation would be expected to become more acute I applied to be transferred and this application went to Berlin.
Q When you said the situation would become more acute, what do you mean?
A It was to be expected that through the landing in north Africa more unrest would flare up in Greece and that this unrest would extend to the population and that the partisan warfare would become even more severe, et cetra, and that was the reason why I thought it would be best to get out of the whole thing if I was in no position to have my say in a future situation.
Q Did you anticipate that reprisal measures would be taken?
A It was to be assumed that if the military necessities should warrant it such things would be done.
Q You wanted to be out of Greece when reprisal measures were taken?
A I don't want to put it that way. The situation for me was a difficult one as I emphasized yesterday and legally I had no basis on which I could maintain my opinion. The difficulty was that in all these questions I had to rely on the friendliness and the willingness to cooperate of the military commander. I had no right or authority but it was just nice of them to listen to me. Really, they would have been entitled to throw me out if they wanted to.
Q You said you tried to interfere with the various military commanders in Greece to prevent the execution of hostages in the taking of reprisal measures. What motivated you to try to interfere in that sphere?
AAs a rule, it was because of the intervention of the relatives of those concerned or by the Greek authorities. These were the ones who informed me and that was the basis of the steps I took.
Q You testified yesterday about certain hostage executions which you were able to prevent. Do you know anything about the execution of 8 hostages in June 1942?
A To the best of my knowledge, that incident was not known to me. I do recall one case in June which I discussed yesterday. That was my intervention with General Andrae and in this case, to the best of my knowledge, nobody was shot. Whether at some other case in June anyone was shot I cannot tell you.
Q Would you look at this document, Dr. Altenburg, and tell me whether or not this refreshes your recollection with respect to the shooting of 8 hostages in June 1942.
MR. FENSTERMACHER: This is in Felmy Document Book V on page 12, your Honors.
Q This is a report of the Commander Southern Greece for 5 June 1942. Will you look at the second paragraph and tell us --"Special Events Outside of the Fighting Activity of the Force"--it speaks there about the execution of 12 hostages on 3 June 1942 in reprisal for murders committed in the Messara region; and then in the second paragraph it speaks about the execution by a German firing squad of 8 hostages and by an Italian firing squad of 2 hostages in reprisal for a plot against the railroad track Liossia-Athens.
Does that refresh your recollection at all, Dr. Altenburg?
A I would like to say the following in this connection. As I said yesterday at the beginning of June I was on leave in Sofia. In the one case where the charge 'd' Affairs informed me, I flew back and I prevented the shooting by representations to General Andrae. Incidentally I was not alone there; my Italian colleague was there, so was the Greek Prime Minister too, and the Greek Archbishop was there, and we together approved that the decision was referred. I know nothing about other cases.
Q Are either of the two cases mentioned here in this document, the hostage execution of the 3rd of June 1942 and the hostage execution apparently on the 5th of June 1942, either of the incidents to which you have made reference regarding interference with General Andrae?
A No, it was only after the 5th that I was informed.
Q Do you know who was the commander Southern Greece at this time, in June 1942?
A That was General Felmy who was on leave at that time, and during that time the command was in the hands of General Andrae.
Q Where were General Felmy's headquarters during the period from May to September 1943, if you know, Dr. Altenburg?
A On the Peloponnes.
Q And you were in Athens, were you not?
A Yes. May I add something to this? As I said in the pretrial examination, from May 1943 until I was transferred, I was absent from Athens on frequent occasions. That was connected with various missions which I had connected with the death of the Bulgarian king in Sofia and with duties I had to fulfill in Berlin.
Q If you were away a good deal of the time during that time and General Felmy's headquarters were on the Peloponnes, I don't suppose you spoke very often with him during that period.
A I visited him once over a week-end there.
Q Is that the only time you saw him during the period from May to September 1943?
A I believe that when he took over office he came to see me in Athens. Then I saw him once there over a week-end and then on another occasion I invited him before I left and the day before I left I made my farewell visit. At that time he had already returned to Athens. That was on the 2nd of November 1943 and at that time General Felmy was in Athens.
Q Since you left in November 1943, I don't suppose you have any knowledge about events in Greece after that date.
A Only what people told me when they saw me passing through.
Q You spoke yesterday, Dr. Altenburg, about certain relations you had with Field Marshal List and General Kuntze during the period 1941 and 1942. I don't suppose you know anything about events which occurred in Jugoslavia during that period.